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Old 05-22-2008, 05:52 AM
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Great thread from 2+on the obvious cover-up and possibly even participation in the cheating at UB and Absoltue


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=208114

I personally would never give them a dollar of my play ever again.

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Wow...pretty damning evidence. I use to play bigger stakes $50 - $100 SnG's online, but I felt there were too many ways to cheat online and save those stakes for the live games. A lot harder (though it does exist and have seen it with my own eyes) to cheat in live games. There was a group at a casino (won't name for fear I would be sued) that would soft play, signal and chip dump at the $520 single table tourneys.
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Damn, I knew about the AP scam but had no idea it went to UB. Changing names, every session and then the sites not taking responsibilites is uncalled for. Its just amazing the lengths some people will go by to surpass the law.
  
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I play at UB. Didn't know the scam went to UB. I don't have a lot of money there, but would like to think it was a safe site to play at now, is it? I will watch things closer from now on. Didn't know both sites were owned by the same company. some thing should happen to them.
  
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ULTIMATEBET ISSUES STATEMENT REGARDING UNFAIR PLAY
MONTREAL, CANADA (MAY 29, 2008) --- Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG ("Tokwiro"), proprietors of UltimateBet.com ("UltimateBet"), one of the world's largest online card rooms, today announced the results of its lengthy investigation into allegations of unfair play, which was triggered by concerns about an account named 'NioNio'. Tokwiro has worked diligently in cooperation with its regulatory body, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission ("KGC"), and with independent third-party experts to conduct a thorough investigation that included a comprehensive review of hand histories and game data, thorough analyses of software and network security, and audits of its security practices and procedures.

The investigation has concluded that certain player accounts did in fact have an unfair advantage, and that these accounts targeted the highest limit games on the site. The individuals responsible were found to have worked for the previous ownership of UltimateBet prior to the sale of the business to Tokwiro in October 2006. Tokwiro is taking full responsibility for this situation and will immediately begin refunding UltimateBet customers for any losses that were incurred as a result of unfair play.

The fraudulent activity was enabled by unauthorized software code that allowed the perpetrators to obtain hole card information during live play. The existence of this vulnerability was unknown to Tokwiro until February 2008 and existed prior to UltimateBet's acquisition by Tokwiro in October 2006. Our investigation has confirmed that the code was part of a legacy auditing system that was manipulated by the perpetrators. Gaming Associates, independent auditors hired by the KGC, have confirmed that the software code that provided the unfair advantage has been permanently removed.

Throughout the investigation of this incident, Tokwiro's consistent priorities have been:
To permanently remove the ability to engage in unfair play;
To complete its investigation and come to a full understanding of what occurred;
To refund the affected customers; and
To implement measures that prevents future incidents.
The Company said, "We would like to thank our customers for their patience, loyalty and support, as well as for their understanding that we are doing everything we can to correct this situation. The staff and management of UltimateBet are fully committed to providing a safe and secure environment for our players, and we want to assure customers of our unwavering resolve to monitor site security with every resource at our disposal."
Investigation Timeline

These are the key events in the course of the incident.
January 2008: UltimateBet is alerted to suspicions of unfair play on the part of the account "NioNio". Within 24 hours, UltimateBet contacts the KGC to provide formal notice that UltimateBet has initiated an investigation of the incident. UltimateBet subsequently forwarded a copy of all related data to the KGC.


January 2008: The "NioNio" account and related accounts are suspended pending further investigation.


February 2008: Preliminary findings indicate abnormally high winning statistics for the suspect accounts. After discussions with the KGC, UltimateBet engages third-party gaming experts to assist with the analysis.


February 2008: Investigators confirm that the suspect accounts are associated with individuals who had worked for UltimateBet under the previous ownership.


February 2008: UltimateBet discovers the unauthorized code that allowed the perpetrators to obtain hole card information during live play. The code was part of a legacy auditing system that was manipulated by the perpetrators of the fraud.


February 2008: UltimateBet immediately removes the unauthorized code and works with the KGC and with third-party auditors to verify that the security hole has been eliminated.


March 2008: Six player accounts are confirmed to have participated in this scheme. No accounts were deleted at any point, although some account names were changed multiple times. The following account names are known to have been used in the fraudulent activity: NioNio, Sleepless, NoPaddles, nvtease, flatbroke33, ilike2win, UtakeIt2, FlipFlop2, erick456, WhackMe44, RockStarLA, stoned2nite, monizzle, FireNTexas, HeadKase01, LetsPatttty, NYMobser, and WhoWhereWhen.


May 2008: The investigation confirms that the fraudulent activity took place from March 7, 2006 to December 3, 2007.


May 2008: Gaming Associates certifies that the software code that enabled unfair play was removed from UltimateBet servers in February of 2008.


May 2008: Customers affected by this incident are identified, and plans for corrective action are reviewed with the KGC.
Corrective Actions Taken

The following actions have been taken or are currently underway as a direct result of this investigation.
The security hole identified in UltimateBet's investigation has been permanently eliminated.


UltimateBet is establishing a state-of-the-art software Security Center that consolidates and greatly enhances existing security capabilities. The first release of the new Security Center focuses solely on the immediate detection of abnormal winnings. Gaming mathematicians, poker professionals, and security software developers have all contributed to the specifications for the new Security Center.


UltimateBet customers are no longer permitted to change account names unless they have suffered abuse in chat rooms. Requests for changes must be supported by proof of abuse and must be approved by the Chief Compliance Officer.


In addition to its existing security department, UltimateBet has established a new specialized Poker Security team of professionals dedicated to fraud prevention.


The refund process will begin immediately. The accounts associated with fraudulent activity did not use an unfair advantage in all play sessions. Regardless, UltimateBet is refunding all losses to these accounts.


Accounts related to the fraudulent activity have been disabled, and the individuals associated with those accounts permanently banned from the site.


UltimateBet has worked closely and transparently with its governing body, the KGC and its designated expert auditors, to determine exactly what happened, how it happened, and who was involved, and has taken action to prevent any possibility of this situation recurring.


Tokwiro is pursuing its legal options in regard to this incident.
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It was very irresponsible of them to allow a couple guys to put their own code into the server software. How does it go unnoticed? were these couple of guys the only people to see that code?

There are comments all over code body's saying what each line of code is doing. Someone had to of seen this code an wonder where it came from and what it's doing. The server code was obviously not reviewed very well and finalized code was not secured.

How irresponsible to allow code to go unscrutinized into their finalized server program. That could have screwed them over much more than it did. They are lucky this is all that happened. Allowing a situation like this to happen could have bankrupted them and sent them packing forever.
  
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Wow. Thanks for the info Rocket. There's no question that there's people playing together at every site but somebody hacked in seeing the cards just sucks.
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somebody hacked in seeing the cards just sucks.
They didn't hack in persay, they worked there and had access to the server code. They then added their own piece of code to the server program that gave their own accounts ability to see hole cards. The code bit itself was probably only a few lines long. Maybe 5-10 lines long in a mess of 10's of thousands of lines of code. But still, every single line needs to be reviewed.
  
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http://www.pocketfives.com/online-po...candal-3074058
SUPERUSER, yes that word does actually mean something. It is not just some phony term used by complaining and losing players.

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TOKWIRO CONCLUDES ITS INVESTIGATION INTO UNFAIR PLAY ON ULTIMATEBET SITE
Findings Turned Over to KGC
Refunds to Affected Players Continue
Company Will Pursue All Legal Remedies

MONTREAL, CANADA - (July 25, 2008) - Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG ("Tokwiro"), proprietors of UltimateBet.com ("UB"), one of the ten largest on-line poker cardrooms, today announced that it has concluded the investigation into allegations of unfair play on UB’s web site.

Tokwiro has compiled complete forensic evidence including the IP addresses, devices, transfer and withdrawal histories, and names associated with the player accounts that benefited from illicitly viewing hole card information. The results of Tokwiro's internal investigation have been turned over to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) and its auditors, as that regulatory body continues its independent investigation. These results are in addition to the data which Tokwiro has already shared with the KGC.
Tokwiro has identified a total of 19 accounts and 88 associated usernames that were involved in the cheating, including the accounts that were named in Tokwiro's publicly posted investigation updates of May 29, 2008 and July 8, 2008. The same perpetrators that were previously identified controlled all of these usernames. There are no new perpetrators involved, only new usernames. Usernames were changed many times over the course of the cheating scam in an apparent scheme to avoid detection. Our complete list of usernames involved in the cheating scheme has now been turned over to the KGC, and the Company does not expect to uncover any additional usernames.

Paul Leggett, Tokwiro's Chief Operating Officer, said, "Make no mistake: our management team is outraged that this cheating occurred on our site through illicit software placed on the UB servers prior to our purchasing UltimateBet. Tokwiro is aggressively pursuing legal avenues of redress in order to protect and compensate our players and the business. Rest assured that we will release more information to the poker community and to the public at large as we enforce our and our players' rights."
With respect to refunds to the affected players, we are continuing our analysis in order to determine the refund amounts. We will move forward with another round of refunds in the weeks ahead. We thank the poker community for its invaluable contributions to this investigation and assure it that we remain committed to fully investigating any claims of fraud on our site," Mr. Leggett said.

The investigation revealed that the perpetrators logged into the client software, using an account that had the ability to view hole cards. The ability of a specific account to view hole cards was enabled by illicit software that was placed on the UltimateBet servers prior to October 2006, which was before Tokwiro acquired the business.
The account that was used to view hole cards never actually played in a game. Instead, the perpetrators used hole card information gained from logging in with this account while playing on other accounts, which thereby benefited from the cheating. The money won by the accounts that received hole card information was then moved around and off the site in a complex web of player-to-player transfers and withdrawals. This contributed to the complexity of Tokwiro's efforts to uncover the truth.

Mr. Leggett concluded: "We cannot over-emphasize the fact that Tokwiro and its entire management team had no knowledge of the illicit software until it was revealed by our investigation; and no one associated with Tokwiro was involved in the cheating scheme at any point."

so basically lets blame it all on the old owners who might acually still be the owners.
lets see if this is another ap and nobody gets charged with anything and they all walk away with a few million
  
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