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High PP's - preflop Theory, Advice, Strategies  | | 
09-26-2005, 01:32 AM
| | | |  High PP's - preflop
I often wonder how to play the high PP hands, particularly in loose game tables. I consider 9's a middle pair, of which I generally call hoping to catch (if you disagree you can add your opinion on that too). AA-KK are always a 3x or more raise pre-flop following by "smart" board play.
So what about QQ, JJ, and 1010?
All I can seem to do it raise a good amount pre-flop, and if I get called pray no overcard hits the board (which it just about always does). In the rare cases where the board comes all undercards, I...
**(as a side note, I was just now dealt QQ, and called a pre-flop re-raise. Board came undercards, so I bet at it, got raised and called a shit hand who was trying to bluff me out. Took all his chips. Maybe it's good karma.)**
...tend to bet a decently sized bet feeling I have the best hand. But most of the time I just stare angerly at the board showing AK4 against my pocket JJ because I don't know what to do. Most of the time i end up surrendering the hand to any decently sized bet.
Let me know what (if anything) you agree with, and what strategies you have found to work well. | | |
09-26-2005, 01:48 AM
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The problem with high PP is that when no overs come, no one calls big bets because either they have nothing, or its too obvious you have a high pocket pair. Small bets make it easy for you to be drawn out but it does limit the feild somewhat. If you don't bet then you can get burned for slow playing by everyone still in the hand.
And if they do call you they may have hit a set with thier lower PP. You have to hope they hit top pair with a good kicker instead.
There is no right way to play the situation everytime, you just have to know your opponents and play according to thier style. What do you think they will do? What have you seen them do in a similar situation earlier?
Paying attention to your opponents is the key to just about every situation when you are unsure what to do. I could go on gut feeling all the time but in actuality whether you use gut feelings or reads, devides the good players from the bad. | | |
09-26-2005, 01:49 AM
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in general theyre definately overplayed.
if my pocket 9s dont pair up and theres 1 or 2 overcards and some betting, i drop them
queens are a frustrating hand. No matter what raise you put at the start someone always calls with Ax or Kx - which means you need to be ready to fold if an ace or a king crop up | | |
09-26-2005, 02:47 AM
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What I find is that if I raise preflop with any pair, no matter what hits the board, I'll bet something. If an ace or a king flops, someone may have called with suited connectors that didn't connect and they'll put me on an ace or king and they'll (hopefully) fold. If I get a reraise, I know I'm probably beat and lay it down. If I just get a call, they may be chasing a straight or flush and I may continue a bet, but not likely if there's many people chasing. Just my $0.02. | | |
09-26-2005, 04:22 AM
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i have the same problem | | |
09-26-2005, 04:48 AM
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I do what CK does generally. Bet on them regardless of the value, and a substantial bet at that. Post flop regardless of what comes, I bet out again. If I get reraised, Ill generally toss it away. But I also agree with Cowboy, it has as much or more to do with the table and your opponents at the time than the cards. | | |
09-27-2005, 04:35 AM
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When you have these hands, it's a must to get reads on your opponents. You can't just cold call their bets, if you have the chips you must raise. When you raise, you show strength, and that means that they will fold unless they have a big hand almost always. If they come over the top, or even just call you, you can most times assume you're beat. This is with overs on the board, like say you have JJ and the board is A58 rainbow. I think you have to bet the flop. Say the turn comes a 3. A check raise is a good move here, in my opinion, if you have the chips. You have got to play your opponent's hand as much as yours here. If you think they have even a weak ace, and you think you can get them off of it. Try it, but avoid doing this to weak players, as there are unbluffable players. You have to know the kind of players you're playing against. | | |
09-27-2005, 11:38 AM
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A lot of good post here...1st of all, isolation is the key to win with any PP, you say with AA or KK its 3 X BB raise or more...I hope its more rather than 3 X's, because even with those monster pockets you will get beat many times with a 3 X's raise....again it's all isolation if you want to win a majority of the times. QQ with 1 opponent wins 82% of the times and loses 66% of the times with 7 opponents and is just a little better than a coin flip with 4 opponents....I don't know about you, but I prefer the 82%.
Of course you can have the Blackstone outcome with QQ and 1 opponent...but the Blackstone outcome is not the norm!
Last edited by CRAPSHOOT; 09-27-2005 at 12:11 PM.
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10-21-2005, 12:05 AM
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If I get them in early position, and I normally do, I mix it up. If the table is aggressive, or the button has been active trying to steal, then I can limp and expect someone to do the raising for me. At a tight table, you almost have to raise even if you just take the blinds. If you get a caller, you know he has some cards and you may be able to get a lot out of him. Chips will be hard to come by at these tables and if you limp, odds are others will limp behind you. So much goes into it. Table, opponents, my image, current hands, where the tournament is, chip stack etc.
Limping is not a bad play, but pushing them to a bad board is a bad play. If you want to limp with AA, KK, QQ be ready to throw them away if you think you are beat.
Bob | | |
10-22-2005, 11:44 PM
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Well, this is very interesting topic 
I have this beaten-big-pp lately. I just played this crazy maniac ring game and lost 150$, i bet 12x raise with AA in 50$ game, guy goes all-in with Q9 os - he won, i raise 8x with KK he goes all in with Q8os - i loose both, and then, i get AA again, bet 12x, he goes all in AGAIN, this time with 89s, and my 150$ down in 3 hands this is really unlucky, but anyway, enough of tears. Playing pps in my oppinion is very table-dependent thing. If table plays loose, you have to even overbet sometimes, to get rid of thouse sick middle suited connectors or any stupid hands like Q2s and so on. In my practics I even play TT or JJ same as 66 77 n so on. Of course flop is key to your latter tactics - if you have TT and flop is something 283 rainbow - you likely to bet/raise him. But also happens, that you have TT he has QQ or JJ n so on, so i prefer hitting sets with cards like TT JJ, and even folding them if raises before me are big. Coz it's very likely that you'll see AKQ on flop and you threw out it anyway. I play QQ sometime aggressive sometimes pretty loose - only calling bets or even checking. But point is - to get rid of crap hands preflop, but it doesn't help playing agains maniacs So i think 8x bet or more if you don't like to limp is very effective thing to avoid crap-hand-victory | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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