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Pot Stealing Theory, Advice, Strategies  | 
09-02-2005, 02:10 PM
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Ok guys and gals, heres the scenerio. Four players limp in. Your last to act. Its early in tourny, everyones within 500 chips of one another. The board shows J662J and you have A2. Theres no possible flush,and everyone checks down to the turn. The first player to act after the river (who is the short stack) bets 200 the size of the pot. The other two players fold. Do you fold ,call or raise him. | | |
09-02-2005, 02:42 PM
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I would have toss out a bet after the turn and tested the water
try to steal the pot there. If that last guy called he may check
on the river if not and he bet I would lay it down.
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09-02-2005, 08:23 PM
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Fold and wait for a better hand and better opportunity. I would only suggest attempting to steal when there are no bets at all. Obviously it looks like the short stack is trying to steal, but let him have it and don't risk the chips. | | |
09-02-2005, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerRef Ok guys and gals, heres the scenerio. Four players limp in. Your last to act. Its early in tourny, everyones within 500 chips of one another. The board shows J662J and you have A2. Theres no possible flush,and everyone checks down to the turn. The first player to act after the river (who is the short stack) bets 200 the size of the pot. The other two players fold. Do you fold ,call or raise him. | Depends how much is in the pot. | | |
09-03-2005, 01:55 PM
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I did end up calling and split the pot with another Ace kicker. I would'nt have called for any more than the 200 chips. But I run accross this almost every tourny, and it almost never gets checked down where everyone splits the pot. I'll admit I have tried to steal under certain circumstances but run the risk of the re-raise. | | |
09-04-2005, 07:19 AM
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well it depends if your aggressive or conservative, because when playing poker you cant alter those two and consistently win in tourneys, the odds get all messed up because there is a specific way of winning with either of the two playing styles, so if your aggressive i would simply call and hope u have them, and if conservative fold and move on. | | |
09-04-2005, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by EricS8 well it depends if your aggressive or conservative, because when playing poker you cant alter those two and consistently win in tourneys, the odds get all messed up because there is a specific way of winning with either of the two playing styles, so if your aggressive i would simply call and hope u have them, and if conservative fold and move on. | I don't agree with this. You say "the odds get all messed up"... that doesn't make sense to me. Odds in poker can mean one of two things. If you are talking cash games you could mean making the same play each time will profit over the long run, this is what I think you are trying to say. That has absolutely nothing to do with tournament poker though. The example I normally use is AA. If you are playing a cash game and can isolate one person and get your chips in you will (on average) win 4 of every 5 hands... if that is true then you will profit even though you lose every 5th hand because you have four under your belt. In tournament poker, if you move in with AA 5 times and lose even once you are done (assuming a bigger stack, etc).
That is very general but you should be able to see what I mean. | | |
09-04-2005, 01:04 PM
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I vary my play during tournaments or "change gears" like Mike Sexton would say. If your a conservitive player and play that way throughout a tourny, you will last longer and maybe get down to say the final 18 players. But if you don't take any calculated risks, I don't think you have a chance of winning the whole thing. | | |
09-06-2005, 05:19 AM
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I have to say that to be successful in tournaments you have to switch gears. I am a generally conservative player, but I have to play aggressively from time to time to get to the money.
Mixing it up from time to time can really be helpful when you are playing against players who know what they are doing because they'll get a read on you and play accordingly. Mixing up your style will make them question their reads and pretty soon you'll have them so screwed up they won't be able to put you on any hand no matter what you do. This is a lot easier to do in ring games where you tend to play the same opponents for a longer period of time, but it also is somewhat effective in tournaments.
As far as the original post, with the board showing two pair, I see a LOT of times when someone will put in a healthy bet with ace rag at the river, especially when it's been checked all the way down. Of course sometimes that person has the boat and they were hoping someone caught a piece of it by the river to give them a payday. But when I have any ace with two pair on the board I'll generally call a bet on the river and find that I'm splitting the pot almost all the time. | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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