Another AK story - thanks for your help guy's but it didn't work

OK guy's you helpped me get a new attitude on AK...and I heeded it...now let me tell you this story that just happened:

I'm in a $50,000 tournament, we are nearing down to the second break...I have AK suited in the BB...everyone folds to the SB...the SB bets 2x BB...so I figure that he is trying to steal the bind...so I re-raise 2xBB...he goes all-in and I call...he shows A7 offsuit and I show AK suited....yes...you guessed it.... board lay's out a 7....IT WAS MY TOTAL BANK AND HAD I WON HE WOULD HAVE HAD 200 CHIPS LEFT.

WTF...am I suppose to be a wimp and lay down because someone raises into me when I am holding the almighty AK...I am back to my original feelings on AK...AK SUCKS!

The very first time after reading all your good post...the very next tournament after I changed my attitude on AK and said that I would approach it differently...the very next time that I get AK with my new attitude and that shit happens....sorry guy's but had I come back at him with an all-in he probably would not have had that super confidence in his monster A7o hand!

From now on AK suited or unsuited are going to hit the muck pile faster than 72o will!...I won't even limp in with them on the button...I will throw them at the muck pile if I am the BB without even looking at the flop for free...I want nothing to do with those two rags!...dirty, filthy, oily rags that they are!...they might look clean, but when you wipe your hands in them...you get muck and grease all over your hands.

Well Sklansky...they say you got AA wrong when you rated it so high, so now let me tell you that you are also wrong in rating AKs as group 1 and AKo as groop 2 hands!...they might look like them, but there is one problem...they don't hit! and then you are left with garbage.

Sorry to hear that Crapshoot. So now what hands will you play aside from high pocket pairs? Will you start playing 72o? I think that hand has a lot of potential and is totally underrated. You might want to think about raising preflop with it. That would probably be the best move.

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Hey Crap, this is just my .02 so take it for what it is worth. What you should have done was just call his raise and see what the flop brings, if you had done that, you would have lived through the second break. If you are counting on riverstars to reward the best hand or the Better player, dont hold your breath, cause you'll die. Hope this helps a little, and dont give up on AK, just learn from your mistakes.

jrs0507

I don't think he made a mistake at all. I definitely think he should have reraised and I definitely think he should have called. If anything, I don't think he raised enough. You say he raised 2xBB to you. You should have put out about 6xBB more.

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Thanks for your concern kikolo as well as jrstobbs...I am just so frustrated with AK after a ridiculas years worth of expierence with them...you would think that I would have to hit them more than twice in a year since I play everyday and I should have won at least once with them.

kikolo as far as what you say about not raising enough...you are exactly right and is what I would have done before, however after reading the post in my last thread, I went along with everyone and felt that I should wait for the flop to see what flopps, but he put me in the all-in situation...how can I backdown from it!

As far as what will I play...I don't know...but anything is better than the way I have been treated with AK's...if 6 months or 9 months ago I would have taken that stand I would be so much further ahead. It might be hard to fold AK...but can you blame me?

Jrstobbs..the way that the opponent played A7o pre-flop...do you think it would have been any different if I just called his pre-flop bet...he would have went all-in at the flop...even before the 7 showed up on the turn. And then am I soppose to run from him everytime he is in a hand...because if I laid that down, you better believe he would try to walk all over me from that point on!

You might look at the way that I played AKs...how about the way he played A7o.

you have to apply game theory to a degree. If the risk that his a7 would beat your ak (you are probably an 80:20 favourite) was not worth the risk in terms of your tourney goals then dont play the hand that way. I tend to assume that the player who will call an all in with a7 will be a weak player lacking in flop play confidence and you dont need the luck of the dice to decide your fate against them.

Doyle brunson in SS2 (and ss1 probably) recommends a very solid way of playing AKs and os - I will not repeat it here but if you apply that advice accurately then you will not have a problem with AK and will make a noticable profit on it. You might feel as I do that there are even more profitable ways of playing it but it is a very solid way of making a good positive EV on ak

Post flop if AK doesnt hit then it might as well be 27 in some ways. More money is lost by players on ak missing the flop than is won. Look at my worst hand ever post in the hand histories for instance. my strategy in my ak hardest hand to play post might give you some advice but DB's advice is better.

Crapshoot, what i was trying to say is for you just to call his 2x BB Raise and see what the flop brings. Not sure what else was on the flop other than the 7, but from there a weak player such as this guy might fold his hand with bottom pair. If nothing else, had you played it this way, I think that you would have still been in the tourney with most of your chips, because once you missed the flop or he had raised your bluff on the flop, you would have folded knowing that you were beat.

jrs0507

It doesn't matter Ben...it doesn't matter jrstobbs...it doesn't matter how I play them they suck for me. I was just in the $20 heads-up MTT...I had AKo my opponent went all-in with 77...I called...flop was AK8...turn was 7....end of story...I am out of the FKN tournament.

Do you have any idea what the feeling is like when you call an all-in and you see your opponent expose a 77 against your AK, then you see an A flop.....then a K flop.................then a 7 turn! Especially after going through what I have gone through in the lasr year, when I only hit them twice now three times and never winning with them....in one FCKN year!

Now do you want to tell me about different ways that I should play AK....it doesn't make any difference...if my opponent has 2 cards and I have AK...I'm going to lose...that's all there is to it.

Now had I seen the flop first before calling the all-in ...would it have made any difference...would you still not call an all-in with 2 pair Aces over Kings with a flop of AK8.

I said I wasn't going to play AK at all...well this was heads-up and so I made an exception....and that is what I get for my exception!

Now had I told you that I went all-in with 77 against AK and I lost when AK flopped another AK or that I went all-in pre-flop with A7o and lost to AKs or that I called an all-in pre-flop with A8o and lost to AK...you would have chastised me for doing that...but in reverse you want to tell me about different ways that I should have played my AK...AK SUCKS! plain and simple that is all there is to it!

For me AK sucks big time!!

Now I know that when I stop playing AK...it will be a winner every time!...that is of course...untill I go back to playing it!

Two years ago...a friend of mine told me how much he hates AK...because he can't win with them...and loses big with them....I didn't understand it at the time....now I feel the pain that he had!

There is one more AK story...I snuck in a hand in a SnG game after my first AK post. Player to my right bets all-in...I call with AK, player to my left also calls.....we all had AK....now the only thing that would have made this story great is, if I had told you that a fourth caller had 66...that is what normally would have happened to me....but no, instead it was my big win with AK...I got my chips back.

I think that I will start a rag company and call them BIG SLICK RAGS

I want everyone to know that if you are playing against me and you see an A and a K on the board....I dont have two pair!

similar thing happens to me very often - i have the worst run of cards of all time - any flop i see misses me completely for about 10 flops in a row. You call with good drawing hands..... you get nothing, and your opponent flops a full house. When you decide to try to bluff as the blinds are eating you up, you walk into kk. Seems like there must be some kind of supernatural force that has turned against you. Try leaving poker for a week, or go to limit where it can only screw you out of 50 chips at once. Failing that, smash up the table and scream abuse at the computer. That helps, too.

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