Is QQ weaker than 22 in an all-in?

On many occasions I have stated that on an all-in, 22 is almost as strong as QQ...what I have to start realizing is that QQ is as weak as 22.

I was just in a SNG with a very low stack, 450 chips. I was dealt QQ, a early better bet 260 chips...this put me in a difficult situation since I can't bet enough for isolation and ment that I try to get lucky or fold...if I had more chips I would have liked to get the hand with only one opponent and see the flop to make sure no aces or kings flopped. I decided to try to get lucky and went all-in...as I was afraid of 2 more players called and a ace did flop...the initial bettor ended up folding at the flop along with one of the other callers to a bettor holding AQ...and of course, I lost....but this got me to thinking about QQ vs 22...it might just be that you are bettor off with 22 than QQ against unpaired callers, since on many occasions the caller against your QQ will have AQ or KQ, but seldom will the caller of your 22 have A2...now it ties up your opponents kicker when it is AQ vs QQ, but then your opponen still has that overcard where in the case of the 22 you still have two outs for a set if needed instead of 1 as in the case of QQ.

Now I know that your going to say...with low pp, you always have the higher pp to beat you...but as I said before...it is infrequent that I get called with a higher pp against my low pp and when I do...it is usually AA or KK. Actually, I lose a lot more all-ins with AA or KK than I do with 22! Also by talking 22, I necessarly do not mean 22 specifically...but rather low and medium pp.

regardless of what you think of this....QQ is not a very good hand and is one of the most difficult to play in nl hold'em.

yeah thats fair enough. another silly point: if your opponent has 33 and you are heads up all in, you having 44 is as good as kk... innit

I guess what I think about that is that you just got put in a bad situation and might have wanted to fold your pocket Queens there -- You wen't for the gamble and lost, but that doesn't mean that QQ is a bad hand. There are times when it is useful and times when it isn't, but I would rather have QQ over 88 any day...

Actually wait a second, I do see where you are going with this because if I have QQ preflop im pushing in for a bigger bet, which means im facing hands which are more like AJ, AQ maybe, AK, A10, KJ. Some dominant hand. When I have 88 I may go in for a raise, I may not. But if I do raise and the flop comes high I know to ditch my cards. If I have QQ and the flop comes K 8 J. I might put him on a J instead of a K. This could cause potential problems and sometimes I might even put him on the K but --hope-- he just has a J and chase a little.

Okay, I see where you are going with saying that you prefer low pocket pairs over QQ, but regardless I'm gonna stick with my QQ. I'd say in your situation just try avoiding the all-in if you are going to have too m any callers -- but you already knew that.

I see the point you are trying to make but I will take QQ against KQ or AQ any day of the week. Of course if they hit they're top card I am screwed cause I only have one out but they have to hit the card first....Plus with QQ you may have the kicker covered against hands like AJ, KJ, AT and you have any hand like JJ, QJ, and QT completely dominated.....and yes, at the low limits I see people going in with all types of hands, including those listed above......22 had nothing dominated and can be easily beat by anyhand from 34 to AK and that is including a bluff.....so a player may be completely bluffing with a 73 and you are still only even money.....The only time, and I mean only time I would take 22 over QQ is against AA or KK...The only advantage I think 22 has is that it is a hell of alot easier to laydown. So maybe you would rather have it for that reason....but if you are basing your decision on profitability or which hand would win more hands vs the field then the answer is unquestionably QQ.

That being said, I agree with your last statement.....QQ is one of the hardest hands to play in poker, without a doubt.

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You go allin with 22? EH!!! lol anyone who calls you i can almost say with 100% certainty they will have an overcard, if they have a QQ for example your tourney days are over my friend i can say that with 80% certainty.

I'm with homeville on this one... I love pocket pairs just as much as the next guy, but all-in preflop with a lower pocket pair is always a dangerous situation. The wrong flop comes and your done. If you can see the flop with your pockets you are in a much stronger better position. If you have pocket 8s and the flop comes 2 3 7, you know no one has the higher pair -- they might have 2 pair, but you definitely have the highest pair on the board... A much better betting situation for you. You know with 8s that if the flop comes K Q J... chances are you already lost. You can save yourself money by seeing the flop.

If you go 22 against AQ instead of QQ then it gives your opponet another card to beat you with and you another with the 2 as well.L Like you said the caller aginst a QQ all in likeky has a Q because they called the big raise,however isnt it just as likely that a hi card with a low kicker(2) was folded.Thus giving your QQ a better chance.

I dig your point CRAPSHOOT, but I disagree. The way I look at it is that QQ is only a dog preflop against KK or AA. Otherwise you're in a very good situation. You're kind of hoping that your opponent has KQ or AQ (and DEFINITELY QJ, but I can't imagine many people making a call with QJ) because at that point he only has 3 outs (ruling out the possible flush or straights). The problem with 22 is that you are a huge dog to any othe pair, and it is almost a certainty that you'll be against 2 over cards, possibly suited, possibly connecting, and I don't have to tell you this is a place you want to be.

I can see everyone's point in this thread...however let me say this...I do go all-in more than the average player with 22 and I do very well with them...much better than I do with KK.

Now If I have 22 against AK there really is no advantage to have QQ vs AK instead...in fact AK will take some straight possabilities away from QQ and there is no flush advantage with QQ vs 22 against AK.

a pair of dueces beats AK high just as well as QQ does and the same is true for tripp two's vs tripp queen's.

as far as two overcards calling...so what...they still have to hit...I would say in 85% of my 22 all-ins...22 won on their own without the unpaired caller matching up...and it has been rare that a higher pair calls and if they do then it is AA or KK and then it doesn't make any difference if I have 22 or QQ.

There are probably a lot of cases that 33 - 88 folded rather than calling the tournament ending bet against my 22, because they figured that I had a much better hand!

I rarely try to even play my low or medium pp straight out...because I know against multiple opponents...I don't stand a chance.

I shake when I am forced to play TT and up straight out....I want to play any pocket pairs against no opponents or one opponent at most!