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Originally Posted by CRAPSHOOT Franky, as far as the free card...the only way you get a free card is if everyone checks...if I am the first to check, and everyone else checks...I still get my free card.
On your second disagreement...I am in no worse position than the Button in that case...if he bets and gets raised a large amount...it is in no way different than if I raise and get raised a large amount
As far as my semi-bluff...I would not semi-bluff under the gun...instead I would do it as a check raise semi-bluff...which is much stronger and done after I have seen everyone elses play.
There is only one point there that I think you were trying to make on the large re-raise...I think what you really mean is if I need to protect my hand, because I want to see another card and if I check...this agressive bettor a couple to my left is going to make a strong bet...however in that case, I might have to make a small bet to let him think that I have something....but, I still do not have any more disadvantage in that case than if I were the button.
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about the free card....if you check and everyone else checks then yes, you get a free card but you have no control over it...so it is a free card because it all probability no one has crap, that is why they all checked behind you...so even if you hit your card you probably will not get paid off. If you were acting in late postion and bet pre-flop.....someone may have hit the flop and checked to you, hoping you will raise and then you check to get a free card...that way if you hit then you will get paid off....there is a big difference.....the other think you lose when you are always first to act is the ability to gather information....so basically you are acting blind every hand....this is no big deal for mechanical poker where you raise with good hands and fold bad hands but that will only make you money at the smaller limits playing this way....when you move up in limits you have to be able to make plays like picking up the blinds, get free cards etc. I will give one example that comes up frequently which will illustrate my point....
Lets say that you hold 67 of hearts in early position. 3 limpers. Flops comes 7, 4, K ( rainbow)........now what do you do in early postion? Do you check and risk giving a free card to a hand like JT or T9........do you raise and risk someone reraising with a king behind you....or what if you raise and someone behind you calls, what would you do on the turn if you did not help your hand...again you are forced to make a blind decision......By acting last in that situation you are taking much less risk....if it checks around to you you can safely bet to try and pick up the pot.....if someone calls, so be it, you can either fold on the turn if you think you are beat, and not wasting another penny, or you can check and get a free card.....if someone bets infront of you, you can fold your middle pair without commiting any more chips other than your blind....you have suffered a minimal loss.....So regardless of whether you make the right decision and win the pot in first postion, you are still creating much harder decisions for yourself....and if you are forced to make many more tough decisions than you should, you are bound to make more mistakes.
