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Old 01-04-2008, 01:26 AM
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The scenario is I am sitting in seat 5 from the button preflop on a 10 player table. The four players before me all fold. Now, what is the mathematically correct view of this situation....

1) I am on a 10 player table, the probable number of playable hands simply haven't been reached yet, they are sitting behind me, so the percentage of how likely my hand is to win has not changed

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2) I should now presume I'm playing a six player table and the presume the likelyhood of winning percentage appropriate to a 6 handed table now applies.

Obviously there is a more general question here, but I thought I'd stick to a specific example to make it easier to talk about.

So, no gut feelings or opinions please, just what is mathematically correct?
  
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My number one goal is to get heads up with some one always. So using that thinking I say what's behind me does not matter so I do not count the folded hands and just count the active.

Post flop I use my 2 4 rule to help do quick calc on my odds of hitting outs to in prove my hand and try to figure what oppents are drawing with.

So the answer from me is I would look at the 6 remaining and try to remember how they played hands before. Since I journal I check on the notes I may have on them if any at all. Or did I miss the question again.
  
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The scenario is I am sitting in seat 5 from the button preflop on a 10 player table. The four players before me all fold. Now, what is the mathematically correct view of this situation....

1) I am on a 10 player table, the probable number of playable hands simply haven't been reached yet, they are sitting behind me, so the percentage of how likely my hand is to win has not changed

or

2) I should now presume I'm playing a six player table and the presume the likelyhood of winning percentage appropriate to a 6 handed table now applies.

Obviously there is a more general question here, but I thought I'd stick to a specific example to make it easier to talk about.

So, no gut feelings or opinions please, just what is mathematically correct?
seeing as how the odds are always calculated using the number of cards dealt, i would still go with my full table strat, other wise your calculations based on 6 player would be skewed by 8 missing cards
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seeing as how the odds are always calculated using the number of cards dealt, i would still go with my full table strat, other wise your calculations based on 6 player would be skewed by 8 missing cards
No, all cards are unknown making the differance between them still being in the deck or being in the muck irrelivent.
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I think the numbers are important, but not the most. It helps to know how many outs you have, but you might not get there. Knowing how to play situational poker is just as important, and knowing your opponents tendencies is probably number one. (hey what is the 24 method,? If you're willing to share. GL all
  
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seeing as how the odds are always calculated using the number of cards dealt, i would still go with my full table strat, other wise your calculations based on 6 player would be skewed by 8 missing cards
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No, all cards are unknown making the differance between them still being in the deck or being in the muck irrelivent.
That is the way I look at it! Worry about the players you may have to play that hand through.

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(hey what is the 24 method,? If you're willing to share.
It is the 2 (two), 4 (four) rule for after flop. Sorry about that.

I have posted a rough explanation already use below link to read please:

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Hope that is good enough it might be vage. It is just a rough way to calculate your % to hit cards by counting or knowing your outs.
  
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Guys, guys, I specifically said no opinions. This thread has nothing to do with how to play poker well. It is simply a very specific mathematical question. Can we stick to the point please?

Oh never mind, but that thanks to those who stuck to the point.

Um, Fink? So what does your statement mean in terms the original question? One could take your words as meaning you agree with the conclusion but for different reasons or that you disagree. Say it simply mate, you plump for sticking with 10 hands odds or 6 hands?
  
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