Buying in to see the flop?

One thing that I have always wondered, is it a good idea if you dont really get a good pocket deal to call (within a reasonable amount) just to see the flop? I know if you have the BB that if no one raises just to stick with it and you could always fold after the flop. But does that really work if you dont have the blinds?

Paying to see a flop with crap is generally a bad idea. Sure you can hit a good hand sometimes, but it doesnt happen often enough to warrent playing crappy hands. There are a couple of exceptions. Ocassionally if im on the button and the table folds around to me and I have a big enough stack of chips as compared to the big blinds I will ocassionally just call before the flop. This way the blinds may try to put more money into the pot and I can try and steal it with a big reraise. This is a very risky move however, and should only be used in the right situation. Thats why in most cases if I want to steal the blinds on the button Ill just raise pre-flop.

But in general I love people who beleive "any two cards can win" and always call to see the flop, because I know that when I pick up a hand its going to be easy for me to take their money.

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Ok, I can understand that. How about if you have say low cards suited is it generally a good idea to stay in for the flop?

One thing that erks me is players that play small or medium suited and stay in untill their death...the chances of hitting a flush are small and if you do hit your flush someone might have a higher flush. It is OK to play them for free or for the price of a blind if you are on the button or a blind, but to play them early is insane, as soon as you do, you get raised...now what do you do? call the raise? and then if their is a re-raise...all your doing is getting sucked in a little at a time. Even if you do hit, then the board drops a fourth one and someone is probably going to have one higher than your highest. So now you have to hit them with no one else hitting them and hope the board doesn't drop a fourth...not too little, not too strong....give them to me just right. The chips you save by not playing them could be put to good use on quality hands.
You see people win pots with them and start to think that maybe you should play them...what you don't see is the many more that tried and their hands were mucked....look at the players eliminated count on a tournament lobby, it moves faster then the tenth's wheel of an odometer of an automobile traviling 100 mph.

Tight is right. Don't see too many flops!! Your chip stack will slowly dwindle, and on the flop, you often might start calling with a losing hand.

Another problem I find with calling with let's say 45o, you'll hit two pair on the flop and bet like a madman. Then another guy has top pair and will reraise not putting you on any of those cards and you'll call.. he'll either catch three of a kind, higher two pair, or another card will pair and it will kill you're seemingly invinceable two pair flopped. I have a lot of amateur friends who always call with these garbage hands so I have to raise them crazily to keep them honest. I don't typically like playing like that but, in that situation I think I have to if i have KQ and he has 45; i'm not going to let him out draw me like that.

I'm far from an expert, but I find that I do much better if I stick to playing good hands and fold the crap. At most, I might call on the small blind if no one has raised and the player on the big blind is conservative. Still, all this is relative to the size of your stack, the size of the blind, and how bad are the pocket cards I'm holding. i.e. I wouldn't call with 2-5o under any circumstances.

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Staying in to see the flop will lose you quite a bit of money in the long run. By the time you hit something to make a big win, the profits could be offset by the number of times you payed just to see the flop. As far as small pocket pairs, you could limp into an unraised pot, just be prepared to let it go if you dont hit your set.

has anyone ever looked up the odds on big slick vs 67 suited 2 handed you know slick is only 58-42 fav not an overwhelming hand