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Playing Too Tight Theory, Advice, Strategies  | | 
11-03-2007, 08:34 PM
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I was recently told that I play way too tight, waiting for premium hands when I am getting close to cashing. Instead I should go all in with two even fair cards. I really need good solid advice on this. This would mean changing my game. I dont know if the cost of the game matters but I am talking about the $20 mtt's. Go all in with any A K Q etc? Small PP?
Thank you
Cali
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11-03-2007, 08:50 PM
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The question can't be easily answered as much depends on your stack compared to the blinds, your position at the table and your opponents... but I have told you for a long time now that you have to stop blinding yourself down so far just trying to make the money (or a FT).
I recall a tourny a long time ago you were bound and determined to make the final table and you went from 36,000 chips down to 1500 without seeing a single flop (blinds were probably 1000/2000 and 1500/3000 during this time). It has always been my opinion that allowing yourself to blind down to nothing is the worst thing you can do to yourself in a poker tournament.
Like this one that I posted about a couple months ago... I still can't comprehend playing this way when there are less than 100 left, you are currently getting back like $100 (maybe $130 at the next level) but 1st place pays $18,000. If you want the big win, you have to give yourself a chance to win. Quote: |
Originally Posted by FinK22 I don't even come close to understanding... I logged in to Stars to see who was still in the $100,000 and saw wild freak there with 100ish left and watched for a few minutes...
You had 160,000 chips and the blinds were 20,000/40,000 with a 4000 ante. You folded through your blinds leaving you with 95Kish and proceeded to fold through the entire orbit (4K ante each hand) so when the BB came back to you you had about 75,000. This is the point where I am just dumbfounded...
You paid your 40,000 blind and 4000 ante leaving you with 31,000 chips and folded to a single player leaving you with under one BB...??? That is screwy enough as it is, but then you paid your 20,000 SB and 4000 ante leaving you with 7000 chips and FOLDED TO A SINGLE RAISER AGAIN???
Congrats on making the top 100 again but if you want to make a run at the real cash then you might want to rethink your endgame strategy... give yourself a chance to win man, don't go from 160K down to less than 20% of a single big blind without playing a hand regardless of how bad your cards are... | | | |
11-03-2007, 09:13 PM
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Alright I am now taking my game more seriously than before so I reallize that this change has to take place. Although I am still only playing for fun I do want to make that FT and win more often than ever now. The thing is...I get dealt KQo or KJo or A9 and the people ahead of me are going all in. What am I supposed to do? Take a chance and go with it?
I remember this post well and I saw completely what you were talking about. I know I am better than this, I just need to belive the hand I do go all in with or call...see I called a few of the hands last night with KQ etc and didnt hit the flop so I lost ALOT of chips becoming even more SS. If i had went all in believe me I would have been called either way.
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11-03-2007, 09:41 PM
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Cali,
It's all about position and the looseness of the table. Tight table, feel free to push from just about any position with any pp, suited connector or 2 high cards (it's what I do  )...loose table - Wait until you have position, and once you get a good drawing hand, go for it.
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11-03-2007, 11:28 PM
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My style is very much position poker, in many cases i won't even need to look at my cards before raising (this is when blinds are high and it folds to me, and blinds don't often defend or are tight), this allows me to steadily add to my stack, picking up atleast a set of blinds per rotation with a very low risk. If you get called you can always outplay them (and then theres the fact that you will only pair on the flop 32.4% of the time - meaning a continuation bet with high blinds will often work).
Stealing from position then allows me to wait for premium cards to make a push with. (i will still employ this tactic even from the SS if i have enough to make the blinds laydown, with a marginal hand...this is when the blinds will add a significant amount to your stack its worth the risk of a call - you still have outs) | | |
11-04-2007, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JayC170  My style is very much position poker, in many cases i won't even need to look at my cards before raising (this is when blinds are high and it folds to me, and blinds don't often defend or are tight), this allows me to steadily add to my stack, picking up atleast a set of blinds per rotation with a very low risk. If you get called you can always outplay them (and then theres the fact that you will only pair on the flop 32.4% of the time - meaning a continuation bet with high blinds will often work).
Stealing from position then allows me to wait for premium cards to make a push with. (i will still employ this tactic even from the SS if i have enough to make the blinds laydown, with a marginal hand...this is when the blinds will add a significant amount to your stack its worth the risk of a call - you still have outs) |
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11-04-2007, 01:02 AM
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Ok I'm going to be changing my game in that position today. I have to say that I know it is the right thing to do but why am I so nervous? I still never got a response on whether to go all in when I am SS with KQo or AXo etc.
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You can go deep with skill
You can't win without luck
I Fear No Stack
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11-04-2007, 01:23 AM
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OK Cali, your specific question. According to every pro I've seen talking about this on the TV, you should never go all in unless you have to. If you are getting short stacked then you have to, and the sooner you do it the better because the bigger the dent you can make in your opponents stack, the more likely they are to fold. | | |
11-04-2007, 01:23 AM
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I got the same problem. Whenever it gets down to where the places pay i wont even play kq because the blinds are too high and if i limp in I may get raised. If I raise on the other hand I might get re-raised all in. this is if i'm shortstacked.
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11-04-2007, 02:59 AM
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I can relate to what you're saying. If you have shown that you play tight it could be why you might be getting raises to your bet. Reraise all-in and see how fast they fold. Tight players can afford to bluff now and then. It depends on whether you want to just cash or you want to win. You're always taking a chance whether you have a great hand or not. | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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