Playing Too Tight

Thats the thinking of most players and thats why I go the opposite.Ill sit back and watch those guys go out while I make the final table.You dont have a chance of winning if you dont make the final table do you?

Im going after the same thing just in a different way.Youre willing to gamble that your 25 will win and Im willing to gamble that I can wait,get a better hand and win.I think playing a bad hand is giving up a shot to win.

I said I would probably have gone in on that last hand that freak folded,but if you think because I have more patience when I play that Im giving up youre mistaken.The biggest mistake I see people make is having the"I need to double up"attitude.They are afraid to play as a shorstack so they give up and play anything and hope.
Once you make the money in a tourney,the shortstacks generally just go all in.They get picked off right and left because they play anything.Every player that goes out makes it one closer to the win for me,so I l want people to play that way.

Ive seen you play,Im not reffering to you,just players in general I run across.

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There were just under 100 players left and average stack is 600,000... if you have 2,000,000 chips you can't fold to the final table here, what is folding to the point of having 20% of a single big blind going to get you?
You have 75,000 chips and are in the BB at 20,000/40,000. A single person in front of you raises. There is no one else in the hand. You look at your cards and see 23. While your single opponent COULD have a pair, the odds are GREAT that he simply has 2 overcards making you 35% to win. You have a 35% chance of winning the hand, having 200,000 chips and a little breathing room to wait for your "good cards".

Instead you fold the hand and fold the SB on the next hand leaving you with under 2 antes. At this point, even if you get dealt your "good cards" and they hold up you are now sitting on a single big blind. Not to mention since your chips will be all in in early position there is the added possibility of finding yourself up against more than one player.
I understand exactly what you are saying... but this situation is not the time to wait and let other players bust. There are almost 100 players left in the tourny and you will be forced all in due to blinds and antes in the following 3 hands. You are already firmly in the money but you are nowhere near the final table. Switch it around a bit and ask yourself this... if you had 500 chips left at 200/400 (25 antes) would you fold in your BB to a single raiser leaving yourself with 75 chips regardless of your hand?

If you look back not at my last post but the post before,in the middle there I said ,not referring to hand above(wild freaks).It wouldnt let me edit in the: for some reason.
So I think alot of this is misunderstanding,because Im not defending his situation so much as the style.In his case I imagine there was also a good sized ante at those levels which would have made it almost impossible to fold.

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Playing tight is nice, but you got to build your chip stack before the blinds hurt and use postion as much as possible. Just played a game where one player stated to an other player " you got get a rep for playing good hands b4 you can try that crap on me". Well tight play and showing those cards builds rep points. Bluffing to increase chip count early and to middle of tournament after getting a good rep is my trick (you better not show cards where you bluffed).

If you do not have the chip count by the bubble in your favour. Odds are you are not building your chip stack early enough. Since most of the players tighten up near the bubble you need the chip cushion to get through it or to where you can play the hands stated in your posts.

TRY TO GET A NICE CHIP STACK EARLY in the tournament and chose your spots. If you don't you will have your problem!! Again and again. Good luck and a hmmmm don't do it against me please.

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But such as Chris Freguson says, don't chnage your game to hit artifical tragets such as getting chips early. Get used to playing a short stack properly without panicing, because you will get to do that a lot.

My experience is those who get chips early are generally not good enough to keep them. Some do, but most don't. Watch a leader board in a big tourney sometime.

Those who believe in luck might also like to think you want it where it counts, at the end and not use it all up early. Now look, don't jump on me for talking about luck, it's not what I think, but some people do, so I'm just thinking in their world. (But hell, it is a streaky game isn't it?).

I hear you, but you got to know when to slow down. Aggressive to get the stack built then protect. Is the way to go. the people stay aggressive do lose the chips in the end.

You got to change gears. You become predictable you also will lose.

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This is something I totally agree with! You HAVE to change gears other wise you become to predictable and will eventually lose. So you change up and play smart. Do you play aggressivly to protect your blinds even when you have junk?

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I disagree.To me thinking you "need"chips takes away from your patience and will get you in trouble more often than not.But I see people that have the style to make it work,and youre probably one of them.

If it works for you,then thats all that really counts in the long run.

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Let's face one fact that happens to me alot is the cards go hot and cold during a tournament. You need the chips at the bubble because that is where most people play tight. Plus blinds hurt at that time.

So build your stack ahead of bubble trouble time by showing winning hands and not showing your bluffs during game when you win pots. The small pots won this way helps at bubble trouble time.

Patience does not work all the time at bubble time because of the added emmotions that every one has at that time. A chip cushion will get you to think straight.

Just got 1st in tournament win 10 mins ago. How do you bring in screen shots to site. Did some bluffs that a would loved to bring here to prove point. Yes also had hands that no bluffing needed to. Was chip leader 3 different times, but from 15 people left on down I never dropped below the 3rd highest stack using the semi-aggressive play.

The bubble trouble point in this game, man nobody was going in without a pocket pair for a while. No joke!!!

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