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08-21-2007, 06:23 AM
| | | | And take for example FINK you have no concept mof what you talk about. Do you understand that ROI's on Sharkscope VERY OFTEN, have little or no correlation to your winning level or $$$ won?
No because you have no ability to read and learn. Take a look at many many player's stats on the site, every night I see at least 1 top player with a -8% or worse ROI who is up over 5 figures in profit.
That is one reason the stats there are only a piece of the puzzle. But a master like you who once actually two girls willing to pose with him knows all (Proves anything is possible though for even the siplest of minds). | |
08-21-2007, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocket Do you understand that ROI's on Sharkscope VERY OFTEN, have little or no correlation to your winning level or $$$ won? | Ummm, whats your point? Forgetting what Sharkscope says, YOU are the one stating a 2% ROI is highly successful... not a "sharkscope rating of 2% ROI", but an ACTUAL 2% ROI which is what my basis of the $2000 yearly profit at $3 per hour for the $100 higher stakes player is based... | |
08-21-2007, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FinK22 You can have the desire to improve and you CAN improve without using all of the bullcrap available. Many players such as yourself seem highly dependent on computer programs and formulas to win at a game that has been around for hundreds of years. If such things were outlawed (as you know I think they should be), would your game suffer because of it? Mine wouldn't... | Just a question?
Aren't you required to actually have a game before it could suffer?
Seems you were quitting cause you had no game, nor probably ever did for that matter, just hit any donk's luck streak their entitled to give you your 15 minutes of fame. | |
08-21-2007, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rocketplayer Seems you were quitting cause you had no game, nor probably ever did for that matter, just hit any donk's luck streak their entitled to give you your 15 minutes of fame. | I've never said I'm better than anyone else, in fact I ALWAYS stress that I'm NOT 
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08-21-2007, 07:13 AM
| | | | You, on the other hand, act like you are something special in the poker world yet no one ever sees you play. We have heard of your tens of thousands of poker dollars that were tied up in NeTeller but you don't ever talk about where they come from... we have heard of the high stakes rings you play at Stars yet we never see a "check out this pot" hand history from these games and you never play in the VIP freerolls. We do know that you play $50 and $100 sngs but with the amount of them you have played and a generous 4% ROI (because sharkscope may be wrong) thats only $2000 in profit (and it's probably less). | |
08-21-2007, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rocketplayer Just confused why using ICM would mean you weren't having fun and enjoying the game?
When does one decide they don't have any desire to improve at something?
The players around you are continually improving and if you don't keep pace then your previous winning ways may reduce and maybe a lot. This can very easily lead to tilt (which we've all experienced).
Online poker has become harder and harder to beat as the knowledge, prorams, stats, books, etc have become more prevalent. I just feel it pays to stay at the top whether it is for money (which it isn't for many, including me by the way) or just for the rush of winning (which is why I play). | Once again, rocketplayer, I believe there's a key difference between how and why you play versus the reason why the majority of players here play. Not that there's a problem there, but you need to accept the difference.
I'm not one to get into finances and everything, but I think based on your posts, you are at least a semi-professional player. Meanwhile, most players here play the odd $5 SnG or MTT here and there, along with the equivalent cash game, give or take. In other words, you play for profit, while others play for fun. Sure, everyone enjoys making a profit, but I think you rely on it more than the majority of the members here (not that that's a problem).
With all the tools you use, poker becomes more of a job. Decisions become easier and easier, based on the information you are given. Now, correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't that true for pretty much any given job? The more information you have, the easier your job. The problem is, if and when you play a game, you are (generally) looking for a challenge, you are looking to flex your mind. When you use loads of tools such as Poker Tracker and the ICM, you aren't really flexing your mind, you are really just using a calculator...why not just be an accountant??
Once again..not that there's anything wrong with how and why people play any given game involving money...however, I believe when having any sort of logical discussion, you must understand the reasons involved for each person.
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08-21-2007, 11:42 PM
| | | | Semi-professional? You must be kidding. I play for the rush and accomplishment. Unless the money was high five figures it couldn't even affect my lifestyle.
This is not meant as bragging it is just truth. I own both a CPA and investment firm and $100 SNGs or even $30/$60 Limit is not going to change my life but does give me a thrill to beat some top players just as tournament golf does. (BTW if I ever went over a 6 handicap I'd probably hand up my golf clubs so that is my personality)
I will no longer try and provide insight in how to use every tool available to be the best because I guess people are satisified not being such. I am not and would find myself on major tilt if I was getting outplayed as online players became better and better.
If someone wants some tips on some things they can always PM me and I'd be glad to comment. | |
08-21-2007, 11:53 PM
| | | | Well, um, you can use tools and have fun at the table, but the using of the tools, to some of us at least, is not fun, just hard work. Like I said, there is room for all of us. | |
08-22-2007, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RacingDog Well, um, you can use tools and have fun at the table, but the using of the tools, to some of us at least, is not fun, just hard work. Like I said, there is room for all of us. |
I see it as making for less work. Of course I sorta strive on work so maybe I'm blind to it, but someone's stats showing how often the enter pot (V$PF), how often they raise (PFR%), how often they win at showdown ($WD%) amongst other things sitting on the screen next to their name would seem to make it less work than trying to remember what the player was doing.
I actually do better on sites without PT compatability as I believe few players take good notes, loved Bodog before it was PT compatible and think Cake is a donk fest right now. Cake is going to be PT compatible soon though. | |
08-26-2007, 12:36 AM
| | | | First of all Fink and k06mars say using programs makes playing poker look like work and also make it sound like that's a bad thing. If I was able to make playing poker my job and I had to use 100 programs to do it I would. Who wouldn't? It's a dream for many many players. If someone doesn't want to use programs to help them in the decision making then don't use it. It's not hard work to look at some stats and see if someone sees many flops or make a lot of preflop raises. What you do with those numbers is up to you. Not one legal program tells you if you should call, raise or fold.
I play poker because I like it. I play THF games because I like it and for fun. I play other games because I like it and for the money. And ofcourse winning feels good, much better than losing.
Btw I never use any kind of programs in THF games. I don't even have notes on anyone (way too lazy to type). | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | |
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