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The Impact of Luck on the Game of Poker

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Old 04-03-2007, 04:48 AM
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Jadie,

Good article. I'm going to have to chew on it a long time to completely digest it. I think it already has improved my attitude at the (un)luck(y) part of poker.

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nice article, i dont know if any of you read Ben Roberts article this weekend on luck but here it is http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/tip-ema....php?utm_id=84

he believes poker is 100% skill, because over time the luck will even out for everyone.
i tend to agree, but i would so more like 80% skill
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Finally someone who agrees with my premise that holdem is 80 percent luck and 20 percent skill. I have been gambling at cards for 50 years and I guarantee that some people are luckier than others. Some will say yes but you make or earn your luck. I suffer much bad luck every day which really upsets me and some good luck. I play free rolls and small buy ins and my bankroll increases weekly. I aim for a $15 a day increase. When my bankroll gets to $1000 I take $500 out and then start building again. I rarely risk more than $3 on a tourney and do not play ring games. Today was a typical day as I played in 5 tourneys. I won $12.65 cents and am very happy. I am out to beat no one. I don't care if I win the tourney or not I just want to make a few bucks for little risk. I am a very unlucky player so I am happy to not risk much and make a little every day and pass the time.
  
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There was a scientific study on lucky people. It appeared that seemingly lucky individuals appear to be lucky since they take more risks in general than normal people (or people who consider themselves unlucky). It was down to pushing themselves into risker/rewarding situtations and a positive attitude. In other words they actually made their own luck.

I don't believe that some outside force blesses some people with more luck than others.

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Math is not subjective. Science is not subjective. But a scientific study of luck. Give me a break. Luck is very subjective as is psychology. I have been observing luck for 66 yrs, which I am sure is much longer than any scientific study and I can assure you that some people although they may experience fortunate luck at times on the whole are not as lucky as others. I guarantee that some people are much luckier than others. No one makes their luck it just is. I could give you many examples from my life experience but that would take up way to much of the time left for me to enjoy consciousness.
  
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So in effect you are saying the cards know how to shuffle to favour some people overall because of the special luck 'factor' they are born with. OK! Sounds fair to me.
  
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There was a scientific study on lucky people. It appeared that seemingly lucky individuals appear to be lucky since they take more risks in general than normal people (or people who consider themselves unlucky). It was down to pushing themselves into risker/rewarding situtations and a positive attitude. In other words they actually made their own luck.

I don't believe that some outside force blesses some people with more luck than others.
That wasn't the only study related to the luck factor. Here's a short article, taken from Scientific American, on the nature of lucky vs unlucky people:
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Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) is a neuromuscular disease that attacks motor neurons until muscle weakness, atrophy and paralysis lead inexorably to death. Victims of this monstrous malady could be forgiven for feeling unlucky.

How, then, can we explain the attitude of the disease's namesake, baseball great Lou Gehrig? He told a sellout crowd at Yankee Stadium: "For the past two weeks you have been reading about the bad break I got. Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth." The Iron Horse then recounted his many blessings and fortunes, a list twice punctuated with "I'm lucky" and "That's something."

Clearly, luck is a state of mind. Is it more than that? To explore this question scientifically, experimental psychologist Richard Wiseman created a "luck lab" at the University of Hertfordshire in England. Wiseman began by testing whether those who believe they are lucky are actually more likely to win the lottery. He recruited 700 subjects who had intended to purchase lottery tickets to complete his luck questionnaire, which is a self-report scale that measures whether people consider themselves to be lucky or unlucky. Although lucky people were twice as confident as the unlucky ones that they would win the lottery, there was no difference in winnings.

Wiseman then gave subjects a standardized "life satisfaction" scale, which asks individuals to rank themselves on how satisfied they are with their family life, personal life, financial situation, health and career. The results were striking. "Lucky people are far more satisfied with all areas of their lives than unlucky or neutral people," Wiseman reveals in his charming and insightful book, The Luck Factor (Miramax Books, 2003). Does this satisfied state of mind translate into actual life outcomes that someone might call lucky? It does. Here's how.

Lucky people expect good things to happen.

Wiseman gave subjects the "big five" personality scale, which measures "agreeableness," "conscientiousness," "extroversion," "neuroticism" and "openness." Although there were no differences between lucky and unlucky people on agreeableness and conscientiousness, Wiseman found significant differences for extroversion, neuroticism and openness.

Lucky people score significantly higher than unlucky people on extroversion. "There are three ways in which lucky people's extroversion significantly increases the likelihood of their having a lucky chance encounter," Wiseman explains: "meeting a large number of people, being a 'social magnet' and keeping in contact with people." Lucky people, for example, smile twice as often and engage in more eye contact than unlucky people do, which leads to more social encounters, which generates more opportunities.

The neuroticism dimension measures how anxious or relaxed someone is, and Wiseman found that the lucky ones were half as anxious as the unlucky ones--that is, "because lucky people tend to be more relaxed than most, they are more likely to notice chance opportunities, even when they are not expecting them." In one experiment, Wiseman had volunteers count the number of photographs in a newspaper. Lucky subjects were more likely to notice on page two the half-page ad with the message in large bold type: STOP COUNTING--THERE ARE 43 PHOTOGRAPHS IN THIS NEWSPAPER.

Wiseman discovered that lucky people also score significantly higher in openness than unlucky people do. "Lucky people are open to new experiences in their lives.... They don't tend to be bound by convention and they like the notion of unpredictability," he notes. As such, lucky people travel more, encounter novel prospects and welcome unique opportunities.

Expectation also plays a role in luck. Lucky people expect good things to happen, and when they do they embrace them. But even in the face of adversity, lucky people turn bad breaks into good fortune. Consider the example set by one of the longest ALS sufferers in history, Stephen W. Hawking, who writes: "I was lucky to have chosen to work in theoretical physics, because that was one of the few areas in which my condition would not be a serious handicap." Unable to move and confined to a wheelchair, Hawking has capitalized on his fate by using it as a chance to transform our understanding of the universe, which he has. That's something.
Michael Shermer is publisher of Skeptic (www.skeptic.com) and author of How We Believe.
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Thanks k06mars, my reference was the abridged (lazy) version of what you found.
  
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It's great to be able to explain away why someone is a lucky person and someone else is not a lucky person. Did it ever occur to anyone that the apparently lucky person is more relaxed because they are used to being lucky and from past experience they know that something lucky will just come along. While the unlucky person is more staid because he knows that the unluckiness that has followed him around his whole life will most likely continue.
I'm sure Lou Gehrig felt lucky because of all the love he felt from every area of his life because of the type of person he was. I have read that he was a friendly, loving, caring person during his life and the love he gave out was returned at the time of his death.
Ty Cobb, I have read, on the other hand died in a rotten mood feeling betrayed by everyone. Ty Cobb never thought a kind thought about anyone and I bet he did not feel lucky when he died. He died a bitter old man just as he had lived. And this after being one of the greatest baseball players of his or any other time and certainly on a par with Gehrig.
I always say not to confuse someones self worth or personality with being lucky or unlucky.
  
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I think initial experiences with luck will determine your luck in the future. If you experience good luck early on, you'll think you're a lucky person...and are more apt to find occurrences of good luck in your life, and in general not realize when bad luck comes your way. If you have early experience with bad luck, however...you are only looking for the bad luck, and can't tell when good luck smacks you right in the face.
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