This was tough....Do you agree with my fold here?

This was a tough one to fold. When the first guy raised, I was planning on raising him all-in and go with the coin-flip (I had him on QQ). But when the second guy did a min-raise, I didn't think I wanted to risk a bunch of chips at this point in the tourney. I was currently in about 6th place out of 36 left with 18 getting paid. I wasn't playing scared...just trying to play smart.

Dang! That flop hurt!!!

Thoughts???

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PokerStars Game #9109449837: Tournament #46291092, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/03/27 - 00:29:56 (ET)
Table '46291092 7' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: rdelange11 (6650 in chips)
Seat 2: pfunk76 (3990 in chips)
Seat 4: en1000 (4690 in chips)
Seat 5: forevercup (12185 in chips)
Seat 6: Scuba_Diver5 (5640 in chips)
Seat 7: The Zombills (11625 in chips)
Seat 8: ischmidt (1893 in chips)
Seat 9: Luvs2Plan! (3255 in chips)
rdelange11: posts the ante 25
pfunk76: posts the ante 25
en1000: posts the ante 25
forevercup: posts the ante 25
Scuba_Diver5: posts the ante 25
The Zombills: posts the ante 25
ischmidt: posts the ante 25
Luvs2Plan!: posts the ante 25
ischmidt: posts small blind 100
Luvs2Plan!: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Zombills [Kc Ah]
rdelange11: folds
pfunk76: raises 800 to 1000
en1000: folds
forevercup: raises 800 to 1800
Scuba_Diver5: folds
The Zombills: folds
ischmidt: folds
Luvs2Plan!: folds
pfunk76: raises 2165 to 3965 and is all-in
nurseTS is connected
forevercup: calls 2165
*** FLOP *** [6d 5d Kh]
*** TURN *** [6d 5d Kh] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [6d 5d Kh 5s] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pfunk76: shows [Qs Qc] (two pair, Queens and Fives)
forevercup: shows [Tc Ac] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
pfunk76 collected 8430 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8430 | Rake 0
Board [6d 5d Kh 5s Ts]
Seat 1: rdelange11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pfunk76 showed [Qs Qc] and won (8430) with two pair, Queens and Fives
Seat 4: en1000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: forevercup showed [Tc Ac] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fives
Seat 6: Scuba_Diver5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: The Zombills (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ischmidt (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Luvs2Plan! (big blind) folded before Flop

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I agree with it.You have to put at least 1 on a hi pp,the reraise would have been risky although in the end worth it.

Time to time youll see AQ and AJ in the similar situation do the same thing,if you were going to be heads up Id say go for it,but with 2 in the hand you made the smart play.

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pfunk only had 4000 chips but forevercup had you covered...he was the one you had to worry about so i think its a good fold...tough one but a good one. You could be up against two players with pairs so your odds wouldnt have been great

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AK is a hand that does very well three ways unlike hands like 1010 etc. If you are not risk adverse then these oppertunities depending on your reads on the opponents and their possible hand ranges could be profitable EV wise.

Personally I dont hugely like that degree of exposure to risk. The main thing about folding here is if you called and the flop was all low cards you might have regretted it. Similarly if someone turned over kk or aa.

Your fold can in no way be said to be wrong here but in a 4$ tourney if you are relatively happy with taking risks then this is probably against most opponents a clear +ve EV to call and I will often call in this situation. Even if you end up against kk and 1010 you have moderate outs.

You sure about that Ben? I mean, unless you are playing total donks, you are looking at high cards for the raise/reraise, then if one of your opponents has TT, you are surely less likely to win as some of your outs may well be in the second players hand, and the same will apply to him.

It's a fine fold, if players in front of you show that much action you can be certain that at least one is holding a PP, and you are still drawing plus the chance your cards may not be live at this point. The bet was too large relative to your remaining chips in a multiway pot where if the flop isn't favourable you are in big trouble.

Hindsight's 20-20, and with that, I would have called. However, if I weren't to cheat and look at the results (hehe), I would have folded. I would think most people who want to isolate (something you would clearly want to to with AT) would put in more of a raise than that. The min-reraise generally means AA/KK, maybe AK at worst - either way, you don't want to call in that situation.

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Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame.

in terms of these 4$ 180 mans racingdog you are going to get lots of action that isnt kk or aa. Against other holdings ak does really well as you will often be 40%+ to tripple your investment.

In other tourneys the likelihood of people being all in with ax other than ak is much less and this can weaken the position of ak but I would still say that once cards are turned over so long as noone has aa then ak will generally have comfortable odds to win but we are talking 40-55% type of thing so it is a very risky way to play.

When you think how often AA and KK gets cracked (we all have, many times over), the risk isn't worth it on the much weaker AK drawing hand. AK has it place in many situations where you are willing to risk it all, but this isn't one of them.