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Do you really need to read a book?

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Old 01-16-2010, 05:11 PM
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It is not necessary to read a book. You could learn with your mistakes and with experience, but I found it much better to learn with someone elses mistake and soak up other players experience. I am always reading poker books from different authors because I can get the best out of each of them and it´s easier to mix up play as well because i have a larger arsenal of weapons. As Daniel Negreanu said: "Be a sponge"
  
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I think books are great as long as you don't get locked in to one way of thinking.

Some players are mathematical genious' but not great readers (of players and hands) and vice versa. We all have different skill sets and some are limited as to how far you will go in the poker world. It is just a fact.

To trully learn what skill sets we have to our advantage takes the experience of playing.
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A very good point CLC! There is no need to reinvent the wheel but there is also no need to play carbon copy poker. Use their knowledge but develop your own style.
  
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I agree that reading a book allows you to get a better understanding of the game. I have read a book, change my strategy, played, read a book, change my strategy, played. Poker is about playing your own style, seeing as many hands as possible and play to your personality.
  
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from a personal point of view, i find books of limited use - far more valuable to me are posts such as the ones found on here.
speaking as one whose maths head is firmly wedged where the sun don't shine, i find even getting far enough into these books somewhat of a struggle and of course, generally they are coming from only one, perhaps two, points of view.
admittedly, these will be from extremely successful players, but why bite off more than you can chew? unless you're a born poker AND maths genius, a variety of input from real, more tangible people, such as those found on THF, with whom one can at least interact, ask questions of etc, is of potentially far more use than trying to put a load of written theory into practice. people on the whole assimilate knowledge much more effectively from their peers and from personal experience than they do from some disembodied and far removed expert. which isn't to say that that outside knowledge isn't useful - but in that case, i think actually observing these people play and THEN analysing it has to be more effective than just reading about it. the visual aspect of seeing these theories put into practice is so important for remembering them in the first place, i reckon!
also lacking from the books is the aspect of debate! you only ever get that one point of view in a book, whereas here, for instance, you get so many others' 2c worth that you can form a much broader picture of whatever is being discussed, make up your own mind and incorporate what you've learned into your play, then rinse and repeat until you find what works. like CardLovinCat suggested, it can be too easy to get locked into one way of thinking. surely a successful player (who knows, maybe one day i'll actually BE one and be able to deem myself qualified to stick my oar in!! ) is one who can be flexible, mutable and one who is not so embroiled in the theory of what they should be doing as to forget to actually do it!!! it's no good sitting at a table, thinking, 'ah, well, so and so says i should play such and such a hand THIS way from THIS position' when the table you're sitting at and the players you're up against are in all likelihood very different... you may be able to read a book, but you can't READ a book - know what i'm sayin?!
yet another aspect where the books are less useful i think is that the guys writing them are usually talking about playing against opponents who are thinking along the same lines as they are. this is great if you have a fairly level playing field, but playing odds/position etc is definitely trickier when you're up against someone who frankly doesn't have a clue!! it's all very well making a text book play with the right hand from the right position but if the maniac sitting next to you just shoves with anything at any time, book theory becomes somewhat moot. how many times have i folded what would have been the winning hand, or gone, 'f**k you' and CALLED with the better hand only to be outdrawn?
probably i would gain a lot more from the books were i playing at a higher level, but at the levels i can currently afford to play at, i'm learning far more from you guys/my opponents than i am from the little heap of partly-read, vaguely understood and promptly put down books currently making my bookcase look pretty!
for me, they're great for learning about the existence of other aspects of the game... which i then look for IN ENGLISH and learn about elsewhere/in practice! playing by the book is all very well, but in my humble opinion, nothing takes the place of instinct/feel/read when you're actually at the tables. so, i may not be able to define fold equity or other such terms to anyone, but it'll come - not because someone has explained over and over ad nauseum what they are, but because i'll have seen and experienced the situations in which they occur to the point at which they finally sink in.

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A good post lili, and certainly the forum is a great place to learn more about poker as there is the interaction/feedback thing that is missing from reading a book. Certainly I have learned much from forum members during my time on the forum!

That being said, I can not let a ''should I read a book'' thread go by without recommending the ''Harrington on Hold'em'' series. Of all the things that have helped my game improve, reading the two books, and then working through the workbook, have helped me most. There are tons of examples from live and online tournaments to help illustrate the implementation of the principles he puts forth. Working through the workbook is a real eye opener. Once you work through it, it will actually point out your areas where you need to work on your game. If you have to read one book (series) make it this one!
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ah, see now a WORKBOOK changes everything! this is definitely something i'll be seeking out - it speaks to my yen to learn through doing. thanx for the tip, slick
  
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Lili I have the workbook on a PDF file somewhere if you would like it. Send me your email to hefur1andonly@yahoo.com and I will ship it
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I bought these two books with my PS points, and like all my hold'em books Lil is more than welcome to make her bookcase look pretty by borrowing them
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aaah, fanx boys my bookcase does look VERY pretty, it has to be said

savage, my email is lildeville@hotmail.co.uk - would be great to have it on pdf - saves mucking up rsv's - thanx a bundle dude

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