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Old 02-02-2005, 01:25 PM
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At this stage I had been getting dry cards for ages at this table was doing quite well at a $3/$6 table. All I knew about my opponent was he seemed to raise a lot and had knocked me off AKo and some other good cards when I hadn't hit anything and he'd raised on the turn.

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Pre-flop:

dr winston raises to $4. 3 folds rock7731 re-raises to $6.
5 folds dr winston calls.

Would you cap the betting here?

Flop (board: ):

dr winston checks. rock7731 bets $2. dr winston
calls.

I didn't like the overcard on the flop at all.

Turn (board: ):

dr winston checks. rock7731 bets $4. dr winston
raises to $8. rock7731 re-raises to $12. dr winston
calls.

I thought I'd try to bluff him out of it thinking he could only continue in the hand if he had a Q. when he re-raised I didn't like my chances but the pot was big enough by then to see the river.

River (board: ):

dr winston checks. rock7731 bets $4. dr winston
calls.


The river didn't bring my miracle J but I still called. I wasn't happy with how I played this hand. I'll let you know what the showdown was later.
  
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Old 02-02-2005, 01:43 PM
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since he reraised before the flop id say he had either big slick, pocket rockets or a high pair - tens perhaps

he may have had you beat - Ace queen for example.
These hands are difficult with loose players as theyll raise and re raise until the button - even if they dont pair their ace or king for example
  
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Old 02-02-2005, 04:49 PM
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his reraise on the turn made me think AQ as I would 3 bet preflop too if it was suited on an unknown player. I won't give anything away just yet. I'll wait to see if anyone else wants to take a guess at what he had and whether I should've dropped my cards earlier or kept raising him.
  
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Old 02-03-2005, 06:19 AM
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Suited 10 J in clubs? The easy answer would be overpair to the board.... but i dont think you would put that kind of hand on here... so I'm gonna say 10 J in clubs.... the reraise pre-flop... yeah... that is the only part that might have me think otherwise... but since you stopped raising, he probably ruled out KK and AA on your part. He re-raised you preflop probably as a detector to see how strong your hand really was. He bets the flop open-ended to the nuts. The turn brings him the flush draw as well, so even if you did have the queen, which you played like you had, if he was a loose player, he would call with about 16 outs to the river. The 8 brought him the nut-straight, and the pot.
  
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I think its a tough one to call since you say he raises a lot and had knocked you off a couple of hands. I dont think you played the hand badly, I would be wanting to look him up to find out what he was up to - is he a bluffer, a shark or an idiot - information you can then take into account later in the game should you lose the pot, as long as the price for the info doesnt get to expensive! The only thing I would have done differently is the check raise on 4th street. I admire your play for doing it but with QQ on board and a player who could have any 2 cards I think I'd have just called it down - rightly or wrongly.

Its the pocket Jacks dilemma all over - a decent starting hand which warrents the raise and the call of the re raise as you want to see some action, but as soon as theres an overcard out there your facing difficult decisions.

For the record I think he'll turn over some shite like A 5 or A 9.
  
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i would have reraised on the preflop
  
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all good suggestions.

For the record the guy was classified as a maniac. He played over 45% of his hands and had a preflop raise of 17%. This was after 120 hands played against him.

I wish I had re-raised him preflop now but doing that with JJ isn't a positive EV in the long run so I tend not to do it. After the hand I wonder what would've happened if I had capped the betting on the turn. I think he would've still called and the river would've killed me anyway.

Anyway, his preflop re-raise was with a pocket pair. Not a high pocket pair mind you. In fact it was a middle pocket pair and one I wouldn't want to be re-raising a tight / agreesive player with.

On the turn I was actually in front, believe it or not.

He turned over pocket 8's, hitting his FH on the river. He in fact only had 2 outs come the river and had under 5% chance of winning the pot.

The good thing about this hand though was that about 30 hands later this happened:


dr winston:


Pre-flop:

calbear11 raises to $4. rock7731 re-raises to $6.
5 folds dr winston calls. EddieO calls. Geeko calls. calbear11
re-raises to $8. rock7731 calls. dr winston calls.
EddieO calls. Geeko calls.

Betting is capped so I'm thinking I need to hit here, but the player who caps the betting is almost all in so I figure I need to beat my main foe to get a nice side pot minimum.

Flop (board: ):

EddieO checks. Geeko checks. calbear11 goes all-in
for $1.50. rock7731 raises to $3.50. dr winston
raises to $5.50. 2 folds
rock7731 re-raises to $7.50. dr winston re-raises to
$9.50. rock7731 calls.

Decided to cap the betting as I didn't do it in the last hand. Wanted to see what he would do.

Turn (board: ):

rock7731 checks. dr winston bets $4. rock7731
raises to $8. dr winston calls.

His raise here worries me and I think I could be losing now to JJ.

River (board: ):

rock7731 bets $4. dr winston raises to $8. rock7731
calls.

Yes, at least if I'm going to lose to a higher set, then so be it. I figure I've now got the all in player beat with my set and the only thing that can beat me is a set of Jacks. I raise. I know I've won when he only calls.


Showdown:

dr winston shows Tc Td.
dr winston has Tc Td 6s Jh Th: three tens.
calbear11 shows Qc Ah.
calbear11 has Qc Ah 6s Jh Th: ace high.
rock7731 mucks cards.
(rock7731 has Qh Qd.)


Hand #4144216-737 Summary:

$3 is raked from a total pot of $92.50.
$2 is raked from the main pot of $44.50.
$1 is raked from side pot #1 of $48.
dr winston wins the main pot $42.50 with three tens.
dr winston wins the side pot $47 with three tens.

I nice pot of 22BB's. That'll do nicely thank you. Back up for the session and quickly left. I wouldn't have played this hand so agreesively had it not been for that earlier hand against him. I guess it shows luck evens itself out in the long run.
  
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big pot you wont there
with the first pot, that guy is clearly a maniac - anyone who plays that agressively with a pair of 8s and a pair on the board needs their head examined - very lucky he made a set on the last card
  
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Maniac is an under statement, but a lucky one to start with - its nice when your there when the luck runs out!!!
  
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I would have re-raised. Using odds, it is unlikely that another player has a poket pair, and since you had JJ. You had to feel comfortable about having the best hand before the flop. With a player that playes that many hands, you can never be sure if he has a good hand or just a medicore hand.
  
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