Pots won at Showdown %

I dont use Pokertracker or any other tracking software. I just keep notes. I know i should , but I really dont have the time to learn another software program. Regardless, I was wondering what your overall % of winning pots at showdown was? Also, can you calculate your % of wins at showdown for the games you monied in vs. the ones you didn't?

I have no clue what my % is as i dont run a tracking program as i mentioned. I do know that when its 60% or higher I generally win everytime.

I'd like to know what you guys are at if you don't mind sharing.

I just figured i'd ******* this post to bring it back into view. I am surprised I havn't gotten any responses. I know a few of you use pokertracker. Is it that you just don't want to share that particular stat? hmmmmmmmmm???

Since I couldn't muster any responses I pulled this from another thread. I must say I'm impressed Matt. That is a very good %.

OK I get the hint......... Nobody wants to indulge this seceret information..

Hi there,

I dont personally use poker tracker or keep track of my showdown win rate.. but this is my view:

Its only important in cash games and not so relavant in tournaments. For tournaments its more situational play and less to do with "able to make it to the show down since u only get one tournament life in a freezeout and win more showdowns". U cant afford to be wrong to many times, so ur not gonna reach alot of showdown in the later stages as often. Most showdowns will occour in early to mid stages of a tournament where u got room to play.. so stats at that stage are not so important relative to the tournament as a whole. Showdowns won at that stage are relative (potsize) small compared to total chip stack.

Whether u do well in a tournament is more down to winning key hands.. so even if u have a low win rate doesnt mean ur not going good in tourney as u could have lost 8 out of 10 show downs where 8 pots were relative small, but won the only 2 show downs where u were all in.. get wot iam trying to say?

Showdown win rate is more relevant to ring games simply because ur gonna reach in more often. Since, ur playing more EV and thus playing more long term poker.



But wot i suppose i should say is.. If ur win rate @ showdown is actually really low for tournaments.. then u could be playing too loose and seeing too many flops.. thats one possibility.. and probably need to tighten up abit.. u could be call down oppoenents to much for example and paying them off.. not that i think u would be. If u were to force me to put a reasonable percentage down.. then i would just say 50. Since more showdowns may occour when ur heads up & short handed.. ofcourse it might not.. etc

In ring games my won money at showdown percent is 52.28%. This includes both limit and no limit ring games and with about 109k hands played. In limit I tend to call down a lot more hands then I do in no limit because when the scary river card comes it's only one or two more bets to see if that really helped.

In tournaments my won money at showdown percent is 52.51% with about 95k hands played. In tournaments I'll call more hands down early when the blinds are low and it's cheaper to call then I will later when the blinds become significant.

I don't think either of those percentages are where I need them to be. When I go to the river I need to have the best hand most of the time.

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Thanks for the response PNL. I agree that pots won at SD are more significant in a Ring rather than a tournament. I was just curious as to what the normal % should be. I know that being heads up and shorthanded can inflate that rate as well as seeing pots down to the river in the BB and when the blinds are small. But overall I was looking for a % that could more or less prove a winning method. I agree, i could be 2 for 10 where the 8 I lost were meaningless and the 2 i won were Monsters and that would not dictate a poor overall % of 20%. But if that 20% starts to become consistent then i would say that one is seeing too many pots to showdown and is probably playing too loose.

My current PWSD (Pots Won at ShowDown) is currently around 52% and I was just curious as to how that stacks up against the better players here at THF. Also, what should i be shooting for? Is there such a % that would be considered optimal? I notice that when my PWSD is 60% or better I rarely ever fail to get ITM (In The Money). So should 60% be considered the optimal #? On the other hand when my PWSD % is 40% or lower i rarely make the payout structure.

Again, thanks for the response. And Grum I read yours too. Thanks for the feedback.

Thanks for the feedback Grum. Just curious.... what do you think those percentages need to be? I'm trying to find out that same thing. If you read my last post my number needs to be 60%. I'm not sure if that same % holds true for everyone as everyone has a different style of playing. But for me 60% seems optimal. As when i reach 60% I rarely fail to make the payout.

Does PokerTracker give you the stats for PWSD in just the games you monied in compared to games in which you failed to make the payout structure? I'd be curious to know if it has that option and what the numbers would be.

Had a cold spell but here are my figures for you B:

Hands = 2635
Won$WSF = 33.75%
Went to SD = 22.56%
Won at SD = 61.60%

All at NL25 at either Party or UB

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