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Old 04-11-2006, 06:25 AM
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I recently read Clonie Gowen's article on how to play rebuy tourneys (can be found here. I was just wondering what other players thoughts on rebuy tournies are.

Personally I will only come to a rebuy event with the initial buy in, maybe one rebuy if my bankroll is fairly large. My reasoning is at these rebuy events, people will constantly rebuy it up. Last event I played in, I was at my starting table for well over 2 hours! Some of the players had put over $60 into the tourney pot (with a buy in of only $5!). While I didn't place, it wasn't because I didn't rebuy or add on, but simply because when I finally was moved, I went card dead (this was well after the rebuy/addon period was over), and eventually finished 3 out of the money. Anyways, if you rebuy in a tourney the blinds are going to be much higher comparitive to your stack as to when it started...just think, most pokerstars tournies start you with 1500 in chips and blinds of 10/20. When you rebuy at the 25/50 level, you are buying only 30 blinds...not many at all for a NL tourney. My strategy is to simply gain as many chips as possible from these players who are willing to put so much into a single tourney, and if I lose, I lose...o well. I'd much rather lose and quit than lose, go on tilt from the bad beat, rebuy, lose again, and again, and again...

Granted these thoughts generally apply to the low level buy events on PS, but in general I believe you will find many players willing to put a lot of money into a tourney - which will let you capitalize as the better poker player looking for more chips!
  
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Its like having a mulligan in golf, for me. I will play with the mindset of not playing to re-buy. I find it fairly easy to get over 5k in chips by the first break if you just play premium hands, and are willing to go all-in more often than normal with them. With the garbage some players go in with you are usually in a dominating position, however bad beats do happen and thus you might need to take a re-buy. I will only re-buy once, and take the add on at the break. The only problem is the chip leaders have 60k and your at a 6k, and its tough to catch up without getting a great run of cards. I have cashed a few times in them but not made much playing in them.
  
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i personally like rebuy tournies. i usually rebuy right away and start off with a 3k stack. this helps a lot. during the first hour my goal is to accumalate at least 20k in the first hour. i usually bring like 5 rebuys using 3k at a time. an add on is neccessary i think. it allows u to be patient and what for premium hands.
  
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If you aren't going to rebuy then i don't think you should play a rebuy tourney. k06mars, in your above example you said you lost because of a cold run of cards. Well, if you had gotten more chips during the rebuy then you then could of lasted a bit longer. Also PokerRef to get over 5K in chips by the first break all you have to do is double-rebuy and then the add-on and you have 5K in chips.Thats it for now, but maybe more later.
  
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If you aren't going to rebuy then i don't think you should play a rebuy tourney. k06mars, in your above example you said you lost because of a cold run of cards. Well, if you had gotten more chips during the rebuy then you then could of lasted a bit longer. Also PokerRef to get over 5K in chips by the first break all you have to do is double-rebuy and then the add-on and you have 5K in chips.Thats it for now, but maybe more later.
Surely this doesnt ring quite true. You can only rebuy if you hit a certain amount of chips, so in theory you re only ever going to have:

maximum number of chips allowed to rebuy with + rebought chips

This is only a very slight advantage over someone who hasnt rebought. The chances of hitting good starting cards are still the same whether you rebought or not.

I just dont see the point of rebuy tourneys, they are absolute crapshoots full of true gamblers who go all in with coin tosses constantly. The only good thing is the muppets who put in 20 rebuys adding it all to the prize pot. The people who go to my local casino rebuy tourney nights are not 'poker' players.
  
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Well you see I'm a cheap bastard LOL. I won't waste alot of extra money on the crapshoot that goes on during the first hour. I said its easy to clear 5k at the first break without a re-buy and usually I have between 8 and 10K without the rebuy. Its still a big disavantage against the chip leaders, but I'm not going to turn a $5 entry into a $50 one, as I see many players do.
  
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If you aren't going to rebuy then i don't think you should play a rebuy tourney. k06mars, in your above example you said you lost because of a cold run of cards. Well, if you had gotten more chips during the rebuy then you then could of lasted a bit longer. Also PokerRef to get over 5K in chips by the first break all you have to do is double-rebuy and then the add-on and you have 5K in chips.Thats it for now, but maybe more later.
Yes, if I rebought I would have had 1500 more in chips, and with an add on I'd have 3500 more chips total. The only problem is, I went out at a point where that really didn't mean much...blinds were up around 1000/2000 when I was kicked out, and that extra 3500 wouldn't have made a diffference to the caller. I ended up going all in with cowboys, the caller had KdQd, and he turned his flush. Can't do anything about that - when blinds are that high an extra 3500 in chips doesn't really mean too much.
  
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Surely this doesnt ring quite true. You can only rebuy if you hit a certain amount of chips, so in theory you re only ever going to have:

maximum number of chips allowed to rebuy with + rebought chips

This is only a very slight advantage over someone who hasnt rebought. The chances of hitting good starting cards are still the same whether you rebought or not.

I just dont see the point of rebuy tourneys, they are absolute crapshoots full of true gamblers who go all in with coin tosses constantly. The only good thing is the muppets who put in 20 rebuys adding it all to the prize pot. The people who go to my local casino rebuy tourney nights are not 'poker' players.
I think it is more than a slight advantage. For example, I start out with 3000 and double up. I now have 6000 chips. Then say i double up again. I now have 12000 chips. If i start out with 1500 and double up twice then i have only 6000 chips. a 6000 chip difference.
Also, sure the beginning of the tourney is a crapshoot. But after the first hour skill takes over. Most players have deep stacks and can use their skill to their advantage instead of being desperate for a double up.

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I think it is more than a slight advantage. For example, I start out with 3000 and double up. I now have 6000 chips. Then say i double up again. I now have 12000 chips. If i start out with 1500 and double up twice then i have only 6000 chips. a 6000 chip difference.
Also, sure the beginning of the tourney is a crapshoot. But after the first hour skill takes over. Most players have deep stacks and can use their skill to their advantage instead of being desperate for a double up.
But here you're making the assumption that there will be someone to double you up both times. Sure I can see that first double up - a decent portion of players in a rebuy tourney will rebuy at the very beginning and start with 3000. But once you hit your 6k, who's gonna put 6k on the line against you - no one because no one will have that many chips. You can double up twice quite easily starting with 1500.
The second hour and on in a tourney, granted skill is more of a factor, but as long as you have a decent amount of chips an all in is still an effective move that needs to be considered seriously. In my example I was deep into the tourney, and it had reached the point where nearly everyone would go all in if they had a good hand (like KQs) because there weren't too many players with more than 15 blinds or so.
  
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I don't know. To me, I hate rebuy tourneys. It's like getting a mulligan in golf. I see people continuously go all in and then just rebuy until they get lucky and build a stack.
  
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