Short Stacked....Do you try and double up on garbage or fold your big blind?

here it is:

PokerStars Game #3216531440: Tournament #15701008, Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (10000/20000) - 2005/12/02 - 00:22:21 (ET)
Table '15701008 89' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DMIZZLE22 (75851 in chips)
Seat 2: Dubble Ace (215997 in chips)
Seat 3: swirvinr (87696 in chips)
Seat 4: dscottr17 (39211 in chips)
Seat 5: Vegeta57 (59888 in chips)
Seat 6: cyrie (28410 in chips)
Seat 7: Pfunk1273 (22446 in chips)
Seat 9: kipin (15051 in chips)
DMIZZLE22: posts the ante 1000
Dubble Ace: posts the ante 1000
swirvinr: posts the ante 1000
dscottr17: posts the ante 1000
Vegeta57: posts the ante 1000
cyrie: posts the ante 1000
Pfunk1273: posts the ante 1000
kipin: posts the ante 1000
swirvinr: posts small blind 10000
dscottr17: posts big blind 20000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dscottr17 [3h 6h]
Vegeta57: raises 38888 to 58888 and is all-in
cyrie: folds
Pfunk1273: folds
kipin: calls 14051 and is all-in
DMIZZLE22: raises 15963 to 74851 and is all-in
Dubble Ace: folds
swirvinr: folds
dscottr17: folds
*** FLOP *** [3d 8d 6d]
*** TURN *** [3d 8d 6d] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [3d 8d 6d 3c] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Vegeta57: shows [Ac 7s] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
DMIZZLE22: shows [Jc Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
Vegeta57 collected 95623 from side pot
kipin: shows [Td As] (a flush, Ace high)
kipin collected 74204 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 169827 Main pot 74204. Side pot 95623. | Rake 0
Board [3d 8d 6d 3c Ad]
Seat 1: DMIZZLE22 showed [Jc Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 2: Dubble Ace (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: swirvinr (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dscottr17 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Vegeta57 showed [Ac 7s] and won (95623) with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 6: cyrie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Pfunk1273 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kipin showed [Td As] and won (74204) with a flush, Ace high

i had an even higher percentage of my stack committed. its a very similar situation to yours fonz. i definitely should have called, and although your hand didnt commit you as much, the proper play probably would have been for you to call as well.

This is a scenario that has been debated, and probably will continue to be debated for.......ever???

Bottom line.....any two undercards to any two overcards (not an overpair)has somewhere around a 40% chance to win (give or take), so it probably is technically correct to call considering the pots odds you are getting (1:1).

Case in point....how many times have you seen the big stack call with 36o against your "cool, i'm the short-stack but I have AK so I'm going to kick your ass" all-in raise, only to have it lose to a 3 on the river????

Answer: about half the time!!!

So, technically it is probably correct to call.

Nonetheless, it sure is hard to call with a 6 high. I know in most situations, I'm probably going to fold it for the same reasons stated in prior posts.

Good luck on this one. LOL!!!

TZB

dont get me wrong xtra....i didnt call it either...doh!!

in the heat of the moment it isnt always easy to do the right thing!

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I gotta quit playing and surfing ......hear that popping noise?(?I just pulled me head outta me arse)

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yeah thats pretty much the exact same scenario.....why didnt i read this history weeks ago - lol

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Fonz, were you in, or close to being in the money? That would factor into my decision.

i think i finished 14th
Top 9 got paid

problem was that at my table there was only one other short stack and he was near the button (he actually doubled up and made the final table).

Some people were sitting with 50,000 or more

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Its an interesting question Fonz. Being a tight player my thinking is when my only move due to a short stack is all-in, is to wait as long as possible for a PP, or A or K. However you find that big stack will call a small stack with any two cards. I've been called with 2-5 os and other very weak hands when going all-in, so now I'm thinking J-6 or 9-5 don't look so bad.

my opinion is, when you get that short stacked, it just becomes a guessing game. you do as well to flip a coin to make your decision. if you were only one or two from the money it might be worth trying to hang on as long as possible, but in a situation where youre probably not going to make it by just folding there comes a time where you just have to go for it. its do or die. if im a large stack in the late stages of a tourney and i see short stacks trying to hold on for a good hand i dont even try to push them that hard. just let the blinds and antes eat them up. usually theyll get down to a point where even if they double up, theyre left with an insignificant amount. in a big blind that eats up a third or half of your stack and with the small blind coming is as good a time as any to all in it and hope for the best.