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I read this article in our local paper. I did not know Andy Bloch was part of this group.

Poker: Bloch well-versed in MIT blackjack tactics


Chuck Blount
San Antonio Express-News

Andy Bloch is a Las Vegas resident and a regular face on the tournament poker circuit. He's welcome in most of the casinos in town — provided he stays away from the blackjack tables.
Bloch doesn't hide the fact that he was a member of the legendary Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) blackjack team. The truth is, he actually embraces it.

The team, which is the subject of the recently released movie "21" and the New York Times bestselling book "Bringing Down the House," was able to expose the Las Vegas casinos for tremendous profits in the 1990s like few before it.

The MIT team is mostly looked at as a card-counting operation. The count works in a plus-minus format based on the number of face cards in the traditionally three-deck card shoe. The more face cards, the higher the count, and when the count got large enough (+8 or better), big-money players were signaled to hammer the table with big bets.

"We practiced and studied all the time," Bloch said. "We played for a few months and won about $75,000, which got us excited. Looking back at it, that was nothing, and a number like that quickly became an expectation."

Bloch certainly wasn't short on success. He paid for all of his tuition at Harvard Law School and more between 1996-99 while with the team.

Since most of the money was in Las Vegas, the team would fly from Boston on a somewhat weekly basis in hopes of adding to the coffers.

"When there was a big weekend, like Super Bowl weekend, that was the time we could fly (to Vegas) and play the high-stakes games," Bloch said. "It was easy to blend in and not get caught. There was a point where they were on the lookout for us, and if you did that on a regular weekend, they'll kick you off quickly."

In its heyday, there were many forms of the MIT team. Bloch estimates about a half dozen MIT teams of up to 20 players per team were regularly hitting the blackjack tables.

As the players got more successful, they looked to split off and form their own teams.

"We were getting so successful and growing up so fast that there was probably no way to avoid it," Bloch said.

The success and utter size of the MIT teams forced its members to get creative in the casinos. Players had to resort to modest costumes and look for the quick strikes in order to remain anonymous.

Even though the team wasn't breaking any laws with its system, casinos maintain the right to refuse business with select players and remove them from the facility.

"As time went on and we kept getting kicked out, we discovered that there was a clock that started as soon as we entered a place," Bloch said. "Some places would tick faster than others, and once we put in five or six trips to a casino, it was almost impossible to avoid getting spotted."

Bloch made a hugely successful transition to poker.

In the past 10 years, he has accumulated more than $3 million in tournament winnings, including a second-place finish in the $50,000 buy-in H.O.R.S.E event at the 2006 World Series of Poker, and he's sponsored by fulltiltpoker.com as a featured pro.

That H.O.R.S.E performance made history in two ways: It was at that point, the largest buy-in in the history of the World Series, and a heads-up battle between Bloch and eventual champion Chip Reese lasted a record eight hours.

"I feel honored to just be at that table and be a part of that place in poker history," Bloch said.

"I hope at some point, I'm able to surpass it. That's the goal. But people may forever remember the heads-up against Chip no matter what I do."

And the legendary run of the MIT blackjack team.
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Interesting post Baron.
Thinking about Blackjack and card-counting reminded me of something I read in a book recently.

Jeff Duvall is a 58 year old English Professional Poker Player.He's mainly a cash game player but has also had some excellent wins and lots of experience in the world tournament circuit.Jeff Duvall - Results

" Jeff's Story

If anyone is born a gambler, Jeff is. His mum actually starts having contractions while she's at the dog track(Jeff was probably trying to
get out of the womb in time to place a bet on a dog in the 7.30!)

The family lives near the dog track; it saves time getting there.

When he isn't gambling, his dad's a carpenter, but both Jeff's parents gamble
on whatever is moving at the time- dogs, horses, whatever, and, of course, cards. They play cards at home and Jeff joins in. When he leaves school at sixteen Jeff goes straight into the industry as a trainee manager in a betting shop.
'It didn't last long. I had a few problems. I was a big gambler then. I was doing dog tracks every night. All around London, from when I was 16.
I was really compulsive, but not as bad as my brother. He became secretary of Gamblers Anonymous. He had a big problem. He was a professional fighter and a big seller of ticket money but he'd do it in gambling before he even got into the ring, so that lost of times he was fighting for nothing.

'For a while I managed pubs. Then in my late twenties I got into Blackjack.
I played Blackjack Professionally for a number of years. I started card-counting. Counting is the minimum level of what you can do in professional blackjack.
Then there's shuffle-tracking, there's all sorts of sequential tracking.
Lot's of things follow on from card-counting but you need the basis of card-counting to be able to do the other things that give you a bigger edge.
I was getting barrred everywhere. You don't even have to be winning to be barred. They know you're playing with an advantage. What happens is your name gets put around, your picture gets put around. I mean, I was barred out of the Vic at least four times. The last time we were marched out by the police...'

'..We went everywhere, everywhere there was a decent game. We would play
as high as we could possibly play. We had a very, very big edge. Card-counting, you may get 1-1 and a 0.5 per cent edge, but we were playing, when we had the big bets, with upwards of 20 per cent edge on the bet.
It was all about remembering sequences of cards...it's patterns of cards you're looking for. And to get this you have to have poor shuffling.
We were looking for casinos that weren't shuffling properly. Basically, in the eighties, that was all of them. None of them were shuffling properly. Now there's shuffling machines.'

'If you knew that the next card was an ace, you had a 52 per cent advantage. Even if it was going to be in the next three cards, then you played three boxes and you'd still got an edge.

'It's a good way of life when it's going well. But we kept getting barred just when we were really making money. The other problem was that I was losing a lot of it on the horses- not all of it, but a good proportion of it. Most gamblers, poker players, have some sort of leak, and horses have always been my leak, and a bit of sports betting as well. Cricket, I lasted on cricket for 3 weeks when spread betting was booming. I didn't know anything about cricket. Nothing. I did a fortune.

'I was trying to balance it with family life...'

'......My youngest daughter used to tell everyone I was a fireman!

'We then moved to the States. They were looking for people to do options trading on the Stock Exchange, who could manage risk around gambling, and that's basically all that options trading is, a form of gambling. So I went out there on '86 and had a fantastic year, brought everybody over, sold the house. Then came the crash of '87. I was making probably between $20,000-$30,000 a week that year, on the market, and we lost it all in a week. There was over half a million in the trading account and after the crash I was half a million the other way. So I had to get out of that.

'To give you and idea of the effect of the crash, before it I was paying $6,000 a month for the seat to trade. You had to rent the seat in the American Stock Exchange. After the crash, you could get the same seat for $200 a month. That shows you how much business had gone, just went out of the markets.

'So now we're broke, owed plenty of money. I spent eighteen months commuting to Atlantic City, gambling, but it was tough. So off we go to Vegas as a family....

'...we got a blackjack team going and I started winning, found some good games....
...We had something they had never seen before, the ace-tracking.
Then all of a sudden, we're barred everywhere. We had a lot of problems.
We got arrested. They thought we had computers, all sorts of things. We were just doing sequential tracking, but every time we were betting an ace was coming out and they were convinced we had some sort of computer device.
I was arrested a couple of times, never charged, but it became crazy.
I couldn't walk into a casino without somebody giving me a hard time. We were getting ground down.
'That is when I switched to poker....

And what's happened is that Jeff has become more and more a professional
poker player and less and less of a gambler. 'The gambler has gone. I would
say I'm a professional poker player now and probably a reasonably conservative one. I go about it professionally. I work an hourly rate. I keep records of every day....'





Taken from Swimming with the Devilfish by Des Wilson (publ. Macmillan 2006)
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