Card Randomness

I'm sure this goes for any of the poker sites. First off I'm sure they all have "random shuffles" where they take random digital this and that and creates a perfectly random shuffle.

What I'm wondering is. Are the cards continually at a shuffle or if they are preset after the cards are dealt to the players.

To define what I'm trying to say is. If you were playing a real game of cards. You KNOW the cards on the deck arent moving anywhere after the hole cards are dealt. So whatever hole cards are dealt the rest of the cards ontop of the deck would be. First burn, 3 Flop, burn , TURN, burn, RIVER. Now in real life you know the community cards were there to begin with no matter how you look at it those cards will be the ones that are dealt. You just dont know what they are.

On the other hand in online poker they use their own mathmatical randomness. Be it part of the clients movements or thermal this and that. What I'm wondering is.

If Lets say the hole cards are dealt to all the players. Would the flop,turn, and river cards be "predetermined" or would they still continually be randomized.

i have often wondered this myself. i doubt you will get an answer from a on-line poker place though.

IM pretty sure that they are predetermined.... i think that it chosen who will win the pot right off the start and the peole who stay in the hand are just people thiking they will win.. i dont think it changes just because cetain people are playing.

I have wondered this also, and it is very interesting to think of. The thing is, you will probably never find an answer.

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The "Random Number Generator" is a set of pre-set numbers assigned to a seat. A player playing in that sea will ge the cards that were assigned. There is no way that a computer can create random numbers by its self so thats how you figure that much out. I havent spent much time studying (only about 2 months) but I still don't have enough intelligance to see if they burn a card or not. They set the numbers in rows of 4 and on some sites 5. Ex. 1234 would be the set hand that was assigned to "1234". I do have a report on this that I might show you.

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I think, no I BELIEVE that some of you are either missing or dismissing a very, very, very simple concept in regard to online card randomness. Actually, three principles. 1)-A site would NOT jeopardoze their own well being by spreading a fixed game (there are MANY people out there that are smart enough to figure out what's going on. You don't think that RNG algorithms come from magicians, do you?)....2)-Noone at the table knows what cards are coming up next. You can speculate that when a person hits one of their outs that something is fishy. But their outs have to be somewhere. Also, if NOONE at the table knows what's coming, that is effective randomness in itself.........3)-No matter what's going on in the RNG, the site has ZERO CONTROL over individual decision making. If someone wants to call with their flush draw against someone who's flopped a set, the RNG doesn't have anything to do with that. Bad beats happen in poker. When people realize and accept that, the world will be a better place.

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I just finished a thread called "you picked the card for the bad beat" then I came across your thread.

At the beginning of my thread I acted as if the random generator picked the card as it was needed then in a post, I corrected it and said it probably stacks the deck first, because the more I thought about it...I remember when I use to write card games we stacked the deck before we delt out any cards. However it would be entirely up to the programmer on how he wanted it to work.

But if you are referring to cheating by the site to favor certain individuals....forget it, it ain't happening.

read my thread, it might answer some questions.

[quote=Matro57]I think, no I BELIEVE that some of you are either missing or dismissing a very, very, very simple concept in regard to online card randomness.

Matro57. I'm not questioning if the online site or people involved can "SEE" what cards are there. But if the cards on the deck are randomized as people play. For instance. Lets say the cards are dealt to everyone already. For this SPLIT second the first 3 cards might have been AAA but a second later it changes from AAA to KKK or something of that nature. Until the cards are flopped the cards continue to change on the remainder of the cards.

So basically what I'm trying to say is if this is the case. Then online poker is a lottory :P lol doesnt matter what you get. You just go in and see if you hit or not!

No boomie...you are wrong in thinking that way....the cards are shuffled by the computers random generator along with an algorithm in the software...the deck is then stacked and delt from there. It does not randomize for each card delt. In other words, its not like slots.