Differences Notes between PS and Tilt

Rating
I think PS is serious about the use of ratings. I think there is a bias at work and if you study the hands and the showdowns you might see it. A person who wins over 60% of his showdowns, might take a hit, lose a bundle, and then just as things would have it, win several of the next hands, without having to wait the customary 10 hands or so in a casino. A highly rated player doesn't need stack to win. The rating helps. This interests me in a disturbing manner in that when a bias is in play, the computer is assisting. I do not see that bias at work on Tilt.

You never get the feeling things are going your way at PS very long. Your confidence is easily eroded. This, so far, has not happened at Tilt. If you play an AK and get a K on the flop, you feel confident at Tilt. At PS you wonder how many ways you're going to get nailed. What is so totally consistent is that PS seems to defeat this hand, mor often than not, with a straight or 4 card flush. You might even get lucky and get 3 K's, but still lose. I guess they just want you to feel good about losing your money. Bad psychology for an experienced player.

You can match notes, with consistency with other players who have had bad experiences with PS. Great hole cards and consistent and irritatingly persistent bad flops. Hand after hand taken away. Not at the beginning mind you. You might even find you've won a tournament! I can't say enough to warn you about playing PS. PS is BS to me. For good play and the hands that you screwed up yourself and you know it, play Tilt or Aces Up, or some other site you trust more.

The most obvious problem with PS is that pairs appear on board 75% + of the time. This is a sure sign of rigging showdowns. Count them. You'll be pretty upset to see how often it really happens. Deal 100 hands around yourself. You'll be lucky to see 30% of the faced cards have a matching pair on board. Tilt does not have this problem.

The most obvious to me is when you publish the hand history over the chat. You "suddendly" see a change in the play!

More often than not PS will chip you down. They drag hands out to the river and and 4 card flushes and straights never get there. Tilt does not have this problem. And they don't use the chip down method to make you think you were playing cards.

As the examples come up, I'll try to post them with enough explanation that I don't always sound like I'm griping. I would just like to see a site, where people don't have to rationalize the play and keep putting more money in and hoping this time it'll be different.

Regards,


Blackhawk

yawn yawn yawn!!

come on blackhawk - youve bad mouthed every sitel on the web except full tilt. Are you suggesting every site is fixed/biased against the player - surely there is somewhere out there who is winning

i give up - all online poker sites are rigged, ok i agree now - ive caved!!
someone please change the record now

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I'd laugh with you Fonz, but you're connected! LOL.

I don't agree with you either Blackhawk and I am as sceptable as you about these things. When our luck runs bad we can always blame it on something except bad luck. These things happen everwhere if you luck is running bad and it will happen to you at tilt also, then what are you going to say they colluded with PS...It will also happen at the B&M....you need to accept the bad luck and wait for it to turn around for you. See Blackhawk I don't have these problems...my luck is bad everywhere.

You made me chuckle. I'm grateful for that. These debates won't make either of us win more or lose less. They do reveal the level of understanding of a player and the degree that person will go to a 'well known response' or at lease one they weren't previously able to respond well to, when they posed their problem before other humans.

Online poker is a losing venture. Poker is a losing venture. Somewhere out there is a guy who will argue, red faced, that it isn't. But, it's hard to argue with $100 Billion a year in revenue from casino's. That's $100 Billion in losses. Bupkus.

So, now we take our hopes online. Just like the people who thought .Com's were the next big money-makers. The could have been if the people who designed and coded them had anything of substance to offer. But, they didn't. You make a supposition that that the people who run the site are fair. Your supposition is deduced because you state, vehemently, that it's just bad luck. The pre-supposes fair play.

My skepticism isn't based on bad luck. I know what bad luck is, he's been with me at some point in a casino every time I visit. The players always overlook the "edge" or the phrase "the house has the edge". I recommend you get down and dirty into that. Real deep. So deep you see a disk drive instead of a roulette wheel with electricity attached to it, masked behind a display of numbers. Electromagnatism helps turn roulette, originally crafted by Rene DeCarte to teach his pupils true probability, into a slot machine. Even deeper when you realize a computer cannot produce random numbers. Even more you should look at the simpler side of a poker site. It makes money. Of of what? Rake. Such a simple term. It's similar to giving the government $100 million in lottery money. People freely gave it up. However, now that we've got this money, we're not giving it back. We're taking 40% of it. 35% to the Federal Government, and 5% to the State. We're keeping $40 million of it. And that's too bad. It only cost us roughly $100,000 to pay our staff, pay the designers, the printers and the truck drivers to deliver the tickets, and less than that when you buy from a computer terminal for the big games. Not bad money for a little promise. Now, if you can see behind these gimmicks, with the insight I just gave you, and you can explain them, in just a tad better detail and make it believable, then, there is the slightest chance, maybe, that I might believe your response.

Regards,


Blackhawk

Wow quite a response, I'm not going to comment on it. I will just say that at this time I believe that they are ligit...I do believe that we will have some hustlers open up sites and out and out cheat us, but I believe that it will be done with bots or just outright screwing up your account. I agree random generators are not perfect and I have expierence with them trying to find flaws with them in the early days of computing...however they are pretty damn good...but it could explain some of the gripes that we have with the game of online poker.

Aside from all that, what needs to happen to satisfy all players is for the laws in the United States to be opened up to allow online poker in the United States and to have a commission of the government control the fairness. Also any gripes can be setteled in the courts of our land. I would even be open to government run internet poker and let the profit reduce our taxes.

That is a little of my feelings...by the way did you see my thread on bots?

i just have one question if so many sites are fixed and so many people in here complain why do you guys that complain still play online poker get a home game going with no rake then if you dont beat your freinds you can accuse them of cheating you

I don't think that any of the sites are rigged. maybe i am immature or something but you would think that the companies would get into legal problems if they are rigged. everybody complains when they lose money but i play pokerstars and I have an overall net gain. I have won over 13X my starting amount. too bad for me that i didnt start out with that much, but i still play small limit tables and win a lot there because i know how to play them and how to win.

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Blackhawk, every thread you've made is about this. C'mon man, off the soapbox.