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A lucky catch on the river, sure. But what difference does it make, considering it was a preflop all in, whether the catch was made on the flop, turn, or river? Are you saying, should you have missed the ace on the flop, that you wouldn't be complaining, or talking about his luck?

The fact is, Villain here was getting better than 7:1 odds on his money, and he KNEW he wouldn't have to commit any more chips. Even more, the raise was only 7.8% of his remaining chipstack. Fact is, the ONLY way he can possibly justify a fold in this situation, is if he puts you on EXACTLY JJ. Even against QQ, KK, and AA, he is getting the right odds to call. As it is, you were only a 2:1 favorite in this situation.

It's perfectly fine to belittle "donks" on this forum, it's a great way to let off steam...I just don't see how calling someone who was getting great odds a donk really helps you off. Perhaps it would be more wise looking at how you got so low in the first place? If you had a bigger chipstack (say, around the 9k or 10k mark), perhaps villain would have folded in this situation, as your raise would actually have some sort of value.

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Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame.

You can feel free to call him whatever u like Ryan. Thats what I like about this place. The whole Free Speach thing. But the only way he's a donk is if he folds.

I do feel ur pain on the "lucky Pokerstars river" comment though.

After this hand I somehow had the urge to go to Hazard County and smack around the first short fat guy in a white suit.


PokerStars Game #11334249443: Tournament #57497499, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit
- Level X (400/800) - 2007/08/06 - 00:09:38 (ET)
Table '57497499 20' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: SpyGuy101 (19237 in chips)
Seat 2: romulus74 (10609 in chips)
Seat 3: ANT14 (8210 in chips)
Seat 4: billywilly71 (8375 in chips)
Seat 5: Kami-Bouvier (1911 in chips)
Seat 6: bosshog74063 (30099 in chips)
Seat 7: guitarhockey (4824 in chips)
Seat 8: oeil2nuit (32575 in chips)
Seat 9: BSQUAD2001 (4535 in chips)
SpyGuy101: posts the ante 75
romulus74: posts the ante 75
ANT14: posts the ante 75
billywilly71: posts the ante 75
Kami-Bouvier: posts the ante 75
bosshog74063: posts the ante 75
guitarhockey: posts the ante 75
oeil2nuit: posts the ante 75
BSQUAD2001: posts the ante 75
Kami-Bouvier: posts small blind 400
bosshog74063: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BSQUAD2001 [Kd Ah]
guitarhockey: folds
oeil2nuit: folds
BSQUAD2001: raises 2400 to 3200
SpyGuy101: folds
romulus74: folds
ANT14: folds
billywilly71: folds
Kami-Bouvier: folds
bosshog74063: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [7s Kc 9c]
ANT14 said, "sweet"
bosshog74063: checks
BSQUAD2001: bets 1260 and is all-in
bosshog74063: calls 1260
*** TURN *** [7s Kc 9c] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [7s Kc 9c 9h] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bosshog74063: shows [Ad 9d] (four of a kind, Nines)
BSQUAD2001: shows [Kd Ah] (a full house, Nines full of Kings)
bosshog74063 collected 9995 from pot
BSQUAD2001 [observer] said, "lol"
bosshog74063 said, "damn"
oeil2nuit said, "rhooo"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9995 | Rake 0
Board [7s Kc 9c 9h 9s]
Seat 1: SpyGuy101 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: romulus74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ANT14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: billywilly71 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Kami-Bouvier (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: bosshog74063 (big blind) showed [Ad 9d] and won (9995) with four of a
kind, Nines
Seat 7: guitarhockey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: oeil2nuit folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BSQUAD2001 showed [Kd Ah] and lost with a full house, Nines full of
Kings



Guy had a 2 outer and he catches both of them......... Jeeeesh. I was short and he had me well covered. He's definitely not a donk for calling. What urks me most is a short time prior I had a decent stack and sitting w/ KK. I was put all-in preflop by an A-6o and lost which made me short to begin with. Its funny how quick the chips can go when the cards are not falling in your favor.

Damn, that's quite unlucky there B. But, if I may ask...why not just push all your chips in preflop, as it is 3/4 of them are in the middle to begin with...

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1st place, March/April 2008 Sunday League

Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame.

LOL..... I slid the bar over and my finger came off the "right click" button before I got all the way right. I knew someone would pick up on that.

Its always annoying when the best hand loses and we do all need to rant about it. He did actually have correct odds to call though so I wouldnt rate him as a donk for that hand - but it did not cost me money so you are free to call him what you want

I like to play in this tourney as I find it good fun and exciting. Unfortunately I missed the last 2 weeks with holiday and having to work (voluntarily) all night last night. I should be in the next two weeks ryan so we can route for each other then. Last time i played this tourney I lost 2 preflop all ins with ax v ax with me having a better kicker each time before when i got short stacked to 4k or so when my kk got busted all in preflop by qq. Lots of all ins , lots of luck in these things but that is part of the fun and when the luck runs good there is big $$ up for grabs.

Of course you can call him whatever you like but if you would have folded in his position then you are a terrible poker player...
He was 33% to win the hand. 2 live cards is nowhere near a bad beat.
Really can't with the limited info provided. If you took a beating to make your stack so low that is one thing. If you allowed yourself to get blinded down to under 2 BBs then please show us the hand histories and I'll be glad to rip into your play

LOL fink, and hes good at it too

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