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OK...so maybe the pot odds werent all that bad for a preflop call. But I look at it this way, the only hand that my opponent could be holding there that would make that a good call would be AK....or a pocket pair of tens or lower. And seeing a 4xBB bet, I wouldnt count on the later. So that leaves AK.

If my opponent has AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AQ, or AJ then Im dominated. Then the only way I would feel comfortable on the flop if I did hit is if I hit 2 pr. or better because I still have to worry about the over pairs or the same pair with a better kicker. So unless I hit a very good flop Im probably getting out of this hand anyway, so why call.

Of course, Im more of a tournament player than a ring game player, so maybe theres a different perspective there since odds are much more important in the ring game. But Im still not calling a bet like that on QJo. In fact, I wouldnt have in limped in that position. Maybe in the blinds or button.

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I'd have to agree with Fink on his analysis. The play may have been a little looser then many here would play but none of his calls were totally unreasonable. If it was a bad play then it was only marginally poor and not terrible.

i have had 4 days like this at poker stars with much worse beats basically i have trapped players a beut only for them to hit runner runner left right and centre now is it the site or the players i am not sure but stars has been doing this a lot recently i dont ming getting beat buy a better hand or being out played but when people should not be in a pot and luck out i get sort of annoyed lol
if tonight goes the same way i will switch to fulltilt as i have some money there

ok, i suppose it is obvious that i deserved to lose that hand, that guy was a great player for calling 5xbb with JQo, a hand which is never DOMINATED preflop. since he made such a good play there, tell me then, how good of a player this guy is....(already posted somewhere else on here, but i'm just showing this here to backup why i am just slightly upset with PS right now)...

Seat 1: benman2002 ($74 in chips)
Seat 2: debtfree2006 ($40 in chips)
Seat 3: last leaff ($78 in chips)
Seat 4: MatoConAs ($66 in chips)
Seat 5: NNICOLAS ($39 in chips)
Seat 6: dscottr17 ($74 in chips)
Seat 7: oregonbandit ($62 in chips)
Seat 8: gatorus ($85 in chips)
Seat 9: MrTiltJr ($113 in chips)
Seat 10: JohnWayne ($76 in chips)
dscottr17: posts small blind $1
oregonbandit: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dscottr17 [Qd Qc]
debtfree2006 said, "great play nicolas"
gatorus: folds
MrTiltJr: folds
JohnWayne: folds
benman2002: folds
debtfree2006: folds
last leaff: folds
MatoConAs: folds
NNICOLAS: folds
dscottr17: raises $2 to $4
oregonbandit: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [8s Ts 4s]
dscottr17: bets $2
oregonbandit: raises $2 to $4
dscottr17: raises $2 to $6
oregonbandit: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
dscottr17: calls $2
*** TURN *** [8s Ts 4s] [3d]
dscottr17: checks
oregonbandit: bets $4
dscottr17: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [8s Ts 4s 3d] [7d]
dscottr17: checks
oregonbandit: bets $4
dscottr17: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
oregonbandit: shows [7c 3c] (two pair, Sevens and Threes)
dscottr17: mucks hand
oregonbandit collected $39 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40 | Rake $1
Board [8s Ts 4s 3d 7d]
Seat 1: benman2002 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: debtfree2006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: last leaff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MatoConAs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NNICOLAS (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dscottr17 (small blind) mucked [Qd Qc]
Seat 7: oregonbandit (big blind) showed [7c 3c] and won ($39) with two pair, Sevens and Threes
Seat 8: gatorus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: MrTiltJr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: JohnWayne folded before Flop (didn't bet)

it just seems to be a reoccurring pattern at pokerstars of god-aweful play that gets rewarded time after time. and i never benefit from winning hands like these, because I DONT CAP THE POT WITH 37, practically drawing dead. however, you would be surprised how many times plays like these occur, and even more surprised at how often these plays WIN. it is just not right. i still am not blaming the software there (pokerstars is the most respected site in existance, and i still praise them for their selection in mtt's). however, the wave of players making their way to pokerstars is resulting in all too many of these type plays. when there are 3-4 players who will make a play like this at every table (i can not afford to play 5/10, 10/20, or higher, although i have heard that the same stuff happens there), it is just a losing battle. so again, good luck to everyone who plays there, i certainly am taking a break from pokerstars.

He called 4x BB as he had already limped and the point isnt that he had QJo, the point is that he had a hand that has a lot of potential and 4 people in the pot ahead of him. If I am in his position with 4 people in the pot in front of me and no chance of being raised after I call, I am calling in his position with 67s! If I miss the flop I lose my $5, no big deal but if I hit a monster I am raking a big pot because NO ONE can put me on 67s there. I realize he didn't hit a monster but he did manage top pair which justified the way he played the rest of the hand. Put yourself in his position but say you had KQs (a hand I think you would play there) and the flop came Qxx, wouldn't you play the hand exactly how he played it there? With amounts bet compared to the amount in the pot I personally can't justify laying the hand down there, can you? Top pair may not be a monster but when you only have to call a bet which amounts to 20% of the pot...

This is a terrible play, but i do have an idea of what he might have been doing. I think he might have been representing a A or K of Spade and then if another S came he would have won the pot assuming you would fold. Just an idea though.

I withdrew all of my funds from PS today. I did so after reviewing the hand histories for the past few weeks' SNG's, ring games, and MTT's. I know you all think I'm joking about their RNG being crooked, but I really believe it is. Moreover, people who play on that site readily acknowledge that they are never surprised by the runner straights and the runner trips. Last night's heads up SNG was the icing on the cake for me. My opponent hit way too many dominated hands over and over again, and despite the efforts of Poker Stars and their rigged "RNG," I won anyway. See ya!

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call me too tight of a player if you wish, but the only hands i am playing for a 5xbb raise preflop are AK, any PP (to hit a set), and maybe AQ or QKs. i can't fault his play post flop (although if i had JK or JA he is still completely dominated, not to mention if i had a higher spade than he did), but i never get into situations such as these, because i dont play JQo in early position, especially for a raise!

i am also aware that i was a fairly shortstack at the table, but so was my opponent. if he had $120 sitting in front of him like many of the other players at the table, then it would have made a difference that i couldnt scare him out of the pot with a bigger bet. however, he only had $2 more than myself, so my chipstack is irrelevant in this situation.

there is definatly something wrong with ps random number generator we were just down to final 3 in a 45 man sit n go i get ppk go all in run into ppqs and pp aces sorry that is just so not right 3 players left 3 best starting hands what are the odds on that