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Rebuy tournament "MADNESS".... how to handle loose calls and countless allins.. Playing Online  | 
11-17-2004, 11:03 PM
| | | |  Rebuy tournament "MADNESS".... how to handle loose calls and countless allins..
In most rebuy tournaments, including 11+ rebuys and the 3+ rebuy qualifiers, the first hour is much different than the play after the end of rebuys.. Opinions on how best to deal with the madness is what I'm looking for..
My own way to play is as follows:
on a 11+ rebuy tourney, I don't want to put more than 41 bucks into play. Some players rebuy 10 or more times. I'm not one of them.
I don't rebuy with my initial buying right away.. I'll sit VERY tight to observe the initial madness to find out who the real loose players are. I fold every hand (including marginally good hands like KQ) until i get a big pair or AK, AQ. Then, DURING THE PLAY OF THE HAND, I do my 1st rebuy.
If I'm in early position, I go allin right then and there. If im behind any callers or raisers, I go allin there also. If I'm late position with no callers in front of me, I just raise 3x..
I will usually get 1 or more callers of my allin as a big fav. If I win, my rebuy is added to my pot. If I lose, (which does happen during the madness).. My stack will go right 1500 with the rebuy made during the hand. I will then add another 1500 right away and play with the 3K.
Then that's it. If I lose that, I quit.
I try my HARDEST not to get sucked into the madness.. I play tight and invite all the loose calls i can get. I know I'll win as fav most of the time but I realize I won't win all the time. I have to accept the loses as part of the game. If I lose, I quit the touney and try to realize it just might not be my day.
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11-18-2004, 04:19 AM
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Rebuys make me crazy. I am like you too. I buyin for just 1500 and see what happens. If I am doing fairly decent I may have 4500 chips in 30 minutes. My problem comes when people start feeling like they have to hammer it real hard before the first break. I have been in the top 5 of a 450 player field many times only to go belly up 5 mintues before the break when I have KK or AA and some idiot wants to shoot for the stars with a A3 or some crap. I have gone from 1st to out in 3 or 4 hands just before the break many times. If I can just conquer my urge to not get pushed around with good cards then I may finally survive. I would be interested to hear what "The Madman" may have to say on this subject.
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11-18-2004, 07:25 AM
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Well I dislike rebuys tremendously as a preface to the discussion. Hey if I get badbeat by a hand such as you are suggesting oh well. That stuff happens. I would prefer it happens in the first hour rather than in the late stages. I usually budget 51 for 11 rebuy tourneys. I hope to spend 31, but I don't mind spending 51. If I get nut type starting hands on a very loose table it is always all-in. I don't care if I don't get called. I can begin the second round with 5k and build it up anyway. More often than not you will get called and I welcome those calls. If you like saner rebuy tourneys try the 33. Players actually care a bit more about their money in those (generally) although I have seen some players rebuy 15 times even in those. | | |
12-10-2004, 01:36 AM
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I don't play very many rebuy tourneys, but I think that if you should decide how much you're going to spend ahead of time (if needed) and stick to it. Also, it's not really a bad thing to let other players add chips to your table. You can always take them later. That is, if you know what you're doing. I'm still trying to get there! gl
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12-10-2004, 03:57 AM
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Poker is just like women. Just when you think you have them figured out and don't need an owner's manual any longer, everything changes and you are back to ground zero. I do know when I am in my "zone" and when I have that feeling I am almost unbeatable. But, that feeling comes and goes and isn't consistent. I can't like make it happen. It is like a certain clarity that comes over me and I know exactly what to do every hand for hours. Anyone else ever get that feeling?
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12-10-2004, 04:32 AM
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I get that. I think I can kind of help myself and get 1 foot in the door, but being fully in the zone i cany control, but to get myself pumped before a tourney i'll sit in the hot tub for about half an hour and relax, helps alot i think....its my new idea i started a week or 2 ago and it seems to work, maybe just good cards tho lol | | |
12-10-2004, 06:20 AM
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Cap, I know exactly what you're talking about. Unfortunately, I only get that in the sit and go's. I do think I'm getting better, though. Got 54 out of 622 in a $5 rebuy a couple of nights ago. That paid 27, I was in for only $5. Tonite I finished 23 out of 1112 in a $5 NL event. That paid $25. Never really got into the zone in that one. Tourneys are so much easier when you're in that zone and you know exactly what to do. Well gonna play one more cheap SnG. Gl and GN
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12-11-2004, 05:27 AM
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Yup, that "zone" is a great feeling to have. I was in it this morning for the 600 fpp tourney for Monte Carlo and finished in the top 9, which I cashed in for 6,000 fpp's.
However, tonight I was in 2 fpp tourneys, one the 600 fpp for monte carlo and the other the 1,000 fpp for the WPT. I was kicking ass in both of them and did NOT feel like I was in the zone. I was doing well out of sheer luck and not knowing what to do.
I went all in after the flop with AK in the hole and AK on the flop. Fanning went all in (Fanning is one lucky SOB) and was sitting on a heart draw and caught the flush. Bang!, out of the WPT event in 1 hand. In about 15 mintues I got bombed out of the Monte Carlo when I went all in with JJ and got killed by some jerk who went all in with A3 off.
I did not feel at all that I was in the "zone" and it was like I was in a rowboat with no oars, even when I had over 5,000 in chips.
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12-29-2004, 03:41 AM
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Man, I am glad someone posted this question, cause I am lost as to what to do at a maniac table in a rebuy tourney.
I like what Buffalo said about how he plays them, and of course Madman's advise is always good.
I pretty much hate re-buys too, but if you want to qualify for the Sunday tourney then re-buy tourneys are the cheapest way to try to make it. Bigger satellites or sit and go qualifiers are a little to rich for my blood.
The bad thing about rebuys is of course the chip leaders after the first hour have very large stacks compared to a regular tourney. The good news is that if you are in decent shape and manage to make the money, the payoffs are a lot higher in a regular tourney or the number of qualifiers is usually about 1 in 20 in a $3 or $5 rebuy qualifier.
I usually rebuy right at the start and only then. Sometimes I go for the add-on, that's another thing I'd like to ask, when should you take an add-on. I usually do not if I have say, 4K or less, I figure I have little shot anyway. And if I have say 12K or more, will 2K more really help all that much. Unfortunately, I am almost always between those two numbers, assuming I made it that far that is. So many people take the add-on (I would say 2/3 to 3/4 of the field) that you almost have to to keep up.
Anyway...from now on I am NOT rebuying at the start. And I LOVE that advice about rebuying during an all in. I have seen others do that but did not know hwy. Now I do. Thanks!
Still, I hate rebuys. I was on a tablw with a maniac who bought somewhere around 12 times I thought. Till she said "well this makes 15...and it's not a personal record". The worst thing? After rebuy 15 she took off and eventually became chip leader. Among other people she busted, I gladly called her all in with 3,000 or so...and holding T-5 suited she catches 2 pair. You bitch.
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