The ruining of a good game

Poker Books, TV poker, donk fools and Internet Poker have destroyed the game of Hold’em, now you have to pick which one is your opponent:

The Book:
Most poker players have read the poker books and follow them to a T…why not…Hey, they are the Pro’s and do this for a living…so I will emulate the book and use the book to outsmart my opponent that has read the book. When he makes a continuation bet, I know it is only a continuation bet that he will make whether he hit his cards or not, so now I can re-raise to make him think that I hit the flop when I did not as I know that he did not hit it either and my cards now are just as good as they were pre-flop. Now the original bettor might say I have to show him that my cards are much better than just hitting the board and will either re-raise him now or bet strong on the turn card no matter what it is…he is just trying to pressure me because he thinks I just made a continuation bet without hitting and my pre-flop cards are still strong….and it goes on and on.

On the turn, I will now give him bad pot odds…that should take him out of the hand as he only has one more card to try and hit. The opponent says, hmm he is trying to force me out of the pot by giving me bad pot odds to call…but I am not on a drawing hand, so I can call and then go all-in if what he thinks the draw card is hits….that should take down the pot or on the river, I will re-raise him to show him that I couldn’t care less about the obvious drawing hand that did not hit….etc etc.

I will slow play this aggressive fool and show him not to fck with me…good he is slow playing me, now I have a chance to hit my gutshot, I will just check also.

He made a medium pre-flop raise, that means he has 2 high cards, I just might call this low stack to see if my medium cards hit…if a high card flops, I could just fold, if not I just might be able to outplay this fool.

He came over top of my BB and he is on the button, so he is trying to steal my blind, I don’t have anything, but I might get him to fold if I re-raise him…let him think that this is going to be a costly hand if he wants to tangle with me. Hmm, he doesn’t have anything…he is just trying to re-steal my steal…etc.etc.

And it goes on and on, book reader trying to outsmart book reader..

TV Poker:
Damn look at that money they win, I can do this, all you have to do is to have “balls” like that guy Gus Hansen, play any 2 cards and then just shove in…lol, he isn’t going to call. I have K2, I wish I had a better second card, but….hey I got a K…I can call any bets right down to the river, I might hit that K…hell the K alone might just win this hand. If I’m behind then, hell I’ll just re-raise him all-in to take down the pot. I saw Gus hit a runner runner to win a big hand…hell I’m good at stuff like that..

This is easy, with my luck, well hell I could probably beat any of them, I could then buy that Winnebango and go fishing for the rest of my life.

Donk Fools,
This is easy, and I don’t have to figure what 2 cards to throw away, all the cards are there right in front of me…I’ll just slap my hands together and get lucky…you never know what you have until you see the last card, so why not see the last card, by calling all the bets. One card can hit just as easy as another, so what that I have to call a raise…hehe it just makes a bigger pot for me to take down.

Hell with my luck granny was never able to beat me.

Internet Poker:
Let’s see in that last game I hit a 7 on the turn and a 5 on the river to give me a str8…why cant I do that here…sure I have to put all my chips in the center, but if I hit them, I am sure to win the hand….in that Scrabble game last week I picked up 2 Z’s in a row to make Sizzle and give me the win…what’s the difference between poker and Scrabble, same thing. If I keep calling him, he’ll get tired of putting all those chips in the center. Hell I’m lucky…I’ve done it in all the other games, why can’t I do it now, I won 3 scratch off’s last week alone.

Now, who are you playing?...Your playing all 4 of them and hope that you actually do outsmart the other book reader and hope that he doesn’t luck out on you. You have to call this donk Hanson imitator and hope that he doesn’t hit. Watch out for that donk…he is lucky. And hope that the Internet player does not repeat his luck from the last game.

And you ask…”Is poker a skill game or a luck game”…LOL…guess.

Most good poker players don't want luck, they will just take the cards dealt to them and play them accordingly, but they don't want their opponents to have luck either.

Every fool thinks he is smarter than you, has more luck than you or can just bully you!

The combination of books, TV, donks and Internet has turned Hold'em into "Lotto"

The green beginner probably has the best chance...because, he doesn't know better...so he just plays cards.

Maybe we should outsmart them all, forget the books, TV and donks and just play no tricks regular poker.

And as gimme says"It's not the price tag on the games either...you have the same donks in the $500 games also"

I believe firmly that your attitude, dameener, and confidence effect the way you play. You should work on changing this, lets leave it at that.

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IM KIND OF LIKE ROBIN HOOD, EXCEPT I TAKE FROM THE DONKS AND GIVE TO MY BANK ACCOUNT.

Jro...if 1/2 of what has happened to me, happened to you, what would your attitude and demeanor be like?

Once in a while is fine...but almost every hand is bullshit and never ever the reverse happening.

Crapshoot i recommend for u to play the play money games for 1 month and see if u could come out ahead with play chips, theres really no difference anyway between playmoney games and 1$ games, they are the same. I know these small stake games are full of garbages players that dont know anything, but these games full of atrocious players are definitely the easiest to beat , plain and simple. All u have to do is tighten up against these idiots, if ur table is crazy and super aggresive *tighten ur game up*, if it is a real tight table then open up ur game. The majority of the hands that u show on here that u lose with are mostly garbage starting hands in the first place, u lose with some premium ones but most of them are just garbage starting hands that u show. I know its hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but u have to quit playing like a wreckless maniac just because u are playing wreckless maniacs. U have to learn to adjust ur game or u can never win.


I will make a side bet with u to prove ur theory wrong that micro games cant be beaten, i will bet u 200$ that i can turn a profit over 50 games with buyins between 1$-5$ , and this will disprove ur insane theory that nobody can beat micro games because of all the donks and maniacs that play them, i will bet u i will show an roi% of 10% or higher and also make a profit at them.

Are we on?

What you can't comprehend is that it happens to everyone else at the same rate that it happens to you. It happens to you for all of your chips more often than it happens to winning players because they aren't out to get every chip they have into the pot nearly as often as you are.

Keep feeling sorry for yourself, give us a couple more "boo-hoo"s, never change the way you play, and keep blaming bad luck as the culprit.

The rest of us see the outdraws just as often as you.

We just don't play like you.

Great advice but I don't think he'll actually listen (when does he)?

I believe my sharkscope stats prove it would be rather easy to take Crappy's money

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Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame.

Great post Cat5cane.

Hopefully Crapshoot will finally listen to the same things a number of others on here have been trying to get through to him, since it comes from a player he knows and admires.

Crapshoot, I can guarantee that i take 10 times the beats that you do as a result of the volume that i play and the fact that its 1/2 lhe.

I just dont let it effect my game.

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