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Old 08-11-2008, 02:23 PM
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My worst day is Tuesday with a +22% ROI...best day is Thursday with a +82.5% ROI and Saturday is a +47.5% ROI day (3rd best day)....though I mainly play cash (I only have 581 games logged) so I'm not reading too much into these until i get atleast a 2,000 + game sample...
  
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A while back I started a thread about why I should play one day and why I shouldn't the other day. Thread (Don't play on tuesdays)
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My worst is Tuesday, all other days I'm doing good though. Seems as if I should play as much as possible on Sundays and Mondays...
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My best day is saterday but then again: donkeys rule on saterdays.
Interesting how Saturday is your biggest profit day but 2nd to worst ROI day.
Can anyone explain to me how that works? How is it possible to make a profit but have a negative ROI? and vice/versa Have a negative in the profit column but show a positive ROI?

If I make a profit on Fridays then I should be getting a positive return on my investment. On the contrary, if I lose money and dont show a profit on Saturdays how is it possible to still show a positive return on my investment?

May be an obvious answer (im sure there is). I just cant come up with it without thinking too hard and I dont feel like doing that right now. So any help is appreciated on this one.
  
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My worst day is Tuesday with a +22% ROI...best day is Thursday with a +82.5% ROI and Saturday is a +47.5% ROI day (3rd best day)....though I mainly play cash (I only have 581 games logged) so I'm not reading too much into these until i get atleast a 2,000 + game sample...
Those stats are amazing JayC!!!! Great Job. I assume you also proffited on all those days? Are those stats all based on cash games or tourny's or a combination of the 2? Not sure how Sharkscope works or how it calculates. Is the 581 games all tourny's (sng and mtt's) and are those stats you provided all based on just the tourny's??? Need some help clarifying this.
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Those stats are amazing JayC!!!! Great Job. I assume you also proffited on all those days? Are those stats all based on cash games or tourny's or a combination of the 2? Not sure how Sharkscope works or how it calculates. Is the 581 games all tourny's (sng and mtt's) and are those stats you provided all based on just the tourny's??? Need some help clarifying this.
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Yes I've profited on all days so far (1.5 k total) but this is only a 500 game sample from low stakes games (mainly $5.50 and $11 9 mans)

The stats are for SNGs only (sharkscope only covers SNG results), HU all the way to 180 mans...

Im hoping to move up to the $22 level very soon so any insight from players with experience at this buyin would be much appreciated
  
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My worst is Tuesday, all other days I'm doing good though. Seems as if I should play as much as possible on Sundays and Mondays...
Your stats I can understand Mars. Everyday you show a profit you have a positive ROI. and everyday you show a loss you have a negative ROI. I just dont get the +/- comparison when they are opposites.

As for playing on Sundays and Mondays.... makes sense doesnt it? If you show profits those days why would that be? Because you play better on those days? Because you play different games ( ie; normally $5 games but on Sundays and Mondays you move up to $15-$29 games)? Probably not either of those 2 scenarios.....

Most likely you play your same style and venture into the same $$ games you would any other day of the week. The most logical explanation is the competition is different. Your style of play may be suited better to profit against a particular type of opponent(s). And on certain days you may have an increased chance of making a profit because there are a higher % of that type of player(s) on Sundays and Mondays.

On the other side. Kaart's (and others) may have a style that can profit more easily when playing against a totaly different type of opponent than you. Thus why he can profit on Saturday when most can't.

In the perfect world, we should be able to adapt our styles to make a profit against everyone regardless of their style of play (ie; Mix it up based on who your playing). However, I believe most of us are accustomed to playing a certain way. Athough, we have the ability to mix things up based on the type of players at our table, we generally have a specific style of play in which we feel more comfortable with. And if thats true then there are days of the week in which your style may be more profitable, so why not take advantage of that situation. And on the other spectrum, there are also days in which your style may produce a loss based on the overabundance of players who contracdict your style and ability to produce a profit. And if thats the case, why not take that day off or find a game or limit on those particular days that can produce more players that coincide with your style of play.....

Hope you all see where I'm getting at. I'm just trying to collect some data that might be useful to all of us down the line.
  
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Yes I've profited on all days so far (1.5 k total) but this is only a 500 game sample from low stakes games (mainly $5.50 and $11 9 mans)

The stats are for SNGs only (sharkscope only covers SNG results), HU all the way to 180 mans...

Im hoping to move up to the $22 level very soon so any insight from players with experience at this buyin would be much appreciated
Again, thats tremendous. Cant say Ive ever seen anyones stats like that. Regardless if its only 500+ games. Generally you will lose more $$$ in the early process as you are still learning the game and such. So your stats should be worse in the early stages.

As for the $22 level, I dont find much of a difference. Ive played a few of these myself but generally keep my BR around $200 so I'm more content in the $5/$10 games and I personally prefer 45-180 man sng's compare to single tables. Here's my suggestion, take $125 and play in 5 of the $22 games. That should give you a pretty good idea if your style of play can prove profitable at these levels. Also, after each game take a look back at the HH's to try and catch any mistakes you may have made, or something you did well and try and incorporate into your game.

Good luck and keep us posted. Do you have a journal. If not, why not start one just for your venture into the $22 single table games. I know I'd be interested into seeing how you made out.
  
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Interesting how Saturday is your biggest profit day but 2nd to worst ROI day.
Can anyone explain to me how that works? How is it possible to make a profit but have a negative ROI? and vice/versa Have a negative in the profit column but show a positive ROI?

If I make a profit on Fridays then I should be getting a positive return on my investment. On the contrary, if I lose money and dont show a profit on Saturdays how is it possible to still show a positive return on my investment?

May be an obvious answer (im sure there is). I just cant come up with it without thinking too hard and I dont feel like doing that right now. So any help is appreciated on this one.
You get that when you've played a lot of low-buy in SnGs (and lost) but won 1 or 2 big buy in games - let's say you played 8 games with a $5.50 buy in, and 2 $215 games. You lose all your $5.50s, but win $900 total from the big games (a 2nd and 3rd). You've then won $900-($5.50*8) or $856 but your avg ROI is going to be (-100%*8+150%+67%) or (-583/10), or -5.83%. Big profit, but realistically, you're a losing player.
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Interesting how Saturday is your biggest profit day but 2nd to worst ROI day.
Can anyone explain to me how that works? How is it possible to make a profit but have a negative ROI? and vice/versa Have a negative in the profit column but show a positive ROI?

If I make a profit on Fridays then I should be getting a positive return on my investment. On the contrary, if I lose money and dont show a profit on Saturdays how is it possible to still show a positive return on my investment?

May be an obvious answer (im sure there is). I just cant come up with it without thinking too hard and I dont feel like doing that right now. So any help is appreciated on this one.
Because ROI in the graphs is average ROI, not total ROI. Average ROI doesn't take into account the stakes you are playing or number of enties in a tournament... it has nothing at all to do with amount of money won or lost. It basically figures a ROI if every game you played were the same stakes and same number of opponents.

In mars' case, it shows that he loses more often than he wins on Saturdays. It doesn't take into account that he hit in a $4 180 for $139.60 which started on a Saturday.
  
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