eh you can beat em

Their not morons or donks...they can be beat.

Seat 1: parismaestro (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: psycha (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: nslookup (1370 in chips)
Seat 4: knitters (2360 in chips)
Seat 5: ViSkoNeR (920 in chips)
Seat 6: Top Dawg 93 (1460 in chips)
Seat 7: xCRAPSHOOTx (640 in chips)
Seat 8: aviador511 (1570 in chips)
Seat 9: DonQuijote88 (2190 in chips)
aviador511: posts small blind 10
DonQuijote88: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xCRAPSHOOTx [Kc Ad]
parismaestro: folds
psycha: folds
nslookup: folds
knitters: calls 20
ViSkoNeR: calls 20
Top Dawg 93: calls 20
xCRAPSHOOTx: raises 80 to 100
aviador511: folds
DonQuijote88: folds
knitters: calls 80
ViSkoNeR: calls 80
Top Dawg 93: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d Js As]
knitters: bets 20
ViSkoNeR: calls 20
xCRAPSHOOTx: raises 100 to 120
knitters: calls 100
ViSkoNeR: calls 100
*** TURN *** [6d Js As] [2d]
knitters: checks
ViSkoNeR: checks
xCRAPSHOOTx: bets 420 and is all-in
knitters: folds
ViSkoNeR: calls 420
*** RIVER *** [6d Js As 2d] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ViSkoNeR: shows [7d Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
xCRAPSHOOTx: shows [Kc Ad] (a pair of Aces)
ViSkoNeR collected 1550 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1550 | Rake 0
Board [6d Js As 2d 7h]
Seat 1: parismaestro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: psycha folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nslookup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: knitters folded on the Turn
Seat 5: ViSkoNeR showed [7d Jh] and won (1550) with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Seat 6: Top Dawg 93 folded before Flop
Seat 7: xCRAPSHOOTx (button) showed [Kc Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: aviador511 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: DonQuijote88 (big blind) folded before Flop

Do ya think maybe he had a clue that I had an Ace and in case he thought I had a Jack, well he knew he had that big gun 7 kicker...I guess he made the right play starting with calling a pre-flop raise with J7o...then calling an all-in on the turn...yep I guess that is what a good player does....he must have read the Rocketfink books.

But like Rocket says...when you put all your chips in the center, you are risking them...and the same goes for raises, because you could lose those chips...so the best thing is just check or fold, never bet or call, no matter what you have otherwise you could lose valuable chips.

Rocket maybe you should have them outlaw all-ins and limit the bets...oh wait they have a game like that already...it's called limit poker.

I dont understand why you're getting so pissed of about this. It's just some idiot who learnt the rules two days prior, it's a $1 SNG. It's not exactly bracelet winners playing there, it's mostly nervous donkeys learning the game. You should really take these things likely and just laugh it off. That's how I deal with it and trust me, it works.

So next time some random guy does this to you and he misses completly, (and yes it DOES happen), giving you his whole stack in the process, you'll just nod your head slowly from side to side and smile to yourself thinking, "lol donkaments...."

So how about we shrug it off and leave it at that...

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***...KidJoker666...***

Laugh it off...yes, when it happens ever so often...but when it is consistently happening....it is hard to laugh off.

Lose 10 for every one you win...you don't make chips when you win...you lose big time.

I can honestly say that if I'm behind, then I will lose because I'm behind and if I'm ahead then I will lose because they will top me with a beatable hit. One can only take so much when you have AQ and your opponents calls with Q9...you just knocked out his top card and put him on a 3 outer to your 6 outs then he hits a 9...not once in a while...most of the time....you flop two pair, he won't get out then the board pairs and he has a higher top pair....seldom is OK...most of the time, sucks. You flop trips or a set, he won't leave, then the board 4 flushes and he is the only one with a flush card...again, if once in a while...yes it is laughable...but when you can bank on it happening it is not funny.

And then of course there is your one lucky hand for the year, like it happened to me yesterday. AQ...flop is QQQ. 6 opponents, I am the first bettor, so I check, they check along...turn 7 so I check,,,they check along....then a 7 rivers...a board full house...so, I make it look like a steal to a board hand by betting 300...what did I win...the pre-flop limps...they all folded. Yes wait a year and you can have the limped chips. Now if I was really trying to steal the board hand...they would be all over me.

Of course if I check...they come at me with a ton of bricks...that is of course if I don't have anything...if I do, well then they check and fold when I finally do bet.

Let's see, a player is down to 300 chips, he has hit a piece of the flop and he is getting 4-1 on his flop call to your raise?

Did you think about what you were raising there and if you were giving your opponents incorrect odds to call?

My guess is no. Now as others have said this is a $1 SNG. bad players will abound but that doesn't mean you just make bets at random. I believe you raised an incorrect amount on the flop. You need to be thinking "what are my opponents holding and what amount do I bet that, if they call, is a mistake".

I'd be thinking they were on a straight or flush draw. Your bet makes a call on the flop the right move. Now this was a bad player and he may have called a bigger flop raise anyway but that doesn't mean you still shouldn't play mathematically sound poker. You didn't and lost.

Is it my imagination or have we heard this before?

Is it my imagination or has Crap Player made the exact same play as villain before, only to not suck out?

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1st place, March/April 2008 Sunday League

Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame.

No mars...I'm a bettor....not a caller!

Let's see, I have hit an A on the flop with a K kicker and you want me to run for the hills because maybe my opponent hit a J with a 7 kicker...makes sense to me...hell he could get runner runner...better look for that rock...get out of the hand now before it is too late...now in which book did you read Rocket that says in order to win...play scared poker.

Call a pre-flop raise with J7 off when you are short on chips...why not?...J7o, AA same thing.

maybe it's donks play internet poker and they hover around PS

I believe he is saying you are the one playing scared poker, raising not even to half-pot when you hold a hand such as TPTK, when you know you're ahead. Perhaps if you actually read his posts you'd realize the mistake he's pointing out to you is not that you raised, but rather you raised so little. Push him all in next time, perhaps he won't call you.

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1st place, March/April 2008 Sunday League

Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame.