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FINK VS. CRAPSHOOT HEADS UP SHOWDOWN!

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Old 05-22-2008, 09:36 PM
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AK all-in I believe can have more merits as an all-in versus and under-pair as with AK you want to go to showdown and have no more decisions.

99 can easily live for another day against a scarry flop.

Again, not saying 99 is not a big hand in HU play just that at this point you had another option with 99.
  
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There were only 2 called hands in both games where at least one of the opponents had all their chips in the center they were both bet by me and they were both sucked out by Fink...
Also wondering why you leave out the final hand of the 2nd game? I believe I was ahead that hand so make it 3 hands where someone had all their chips in the middle...
  
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Dinero the hand was play 100% correct by crapshoot, if u disagree with that then u do not know how to play winning poker my friend. Any pro would have done the same thing as crapshoot in a heads up match, trust me. Now a full ring game is a different story , but HU that is how u play the hand.
I'm very surprised to hear comments like this. 100% correct? 1. poker is never that cut and dry. The only way it could be 100% correct is with the nutz and 55% is hardly the nutz. 2. 99 is ahead most of the time preflop in a HU match but do you really need me to list how many starting hand that are ahead? Then there's the coin flips.

How many of those are Fink willing to push all-in with? It depends on your read but I'd say AK - QJ, AA - TT. And I consider that a stretch. Considering that range 99 is actually a 47% dog. Either way a virtual coin flip.

I'm not sure what books you're reading but I haven't seen anybody, pro or not, suggest that a coin flip situation is a good idea during the second round of blinds in a HU tournament when you have a 3:2 chip lead. Crapshoot is in the chip lead and there's a lot of tournament left.

If we were going to base the whole tournament on a coin flip then why play poker? We could save time by flipping coins.

In a cash game the play was mathematical correct but a tournament where you can't re-buy is a different story.
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But your stand changes just as fast if not faster than others... just look at your view of the final hand of game one when you had very few chips left and compare it to your view of my final hand when you put me out of the THF game when I had very few chips left. Clear enough picture?
No not clear enough picture Fink 1.) HU vs MTT 2.) Bounty. In a HU, once you got your opponent down under 1,000 chips you don't want to give him fuel by letting him double up and his only opponent is you in the game. I also believe there was quite a difference in chip ratio's.

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Final hand of the first game wasn't bet by you, you called all in. I'm aware that doesn't change the fact that you had the best hand at the time but saying "both hands were bet by me" is somewhat misleading.

Besides, had your hand held up in game one I would still have had a 4-1 chip lead.


How quickly you forget K6 vs AJ?
Sorry I thought that I bet it, but it doesn't change the fact that if my dominate hand held up, I would be back in the game and would have had a much easier chance of coming back and winning in the 2 player game than you would have had in the MTT.
  
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No not clear enough picture Fink 1.) HU vs MTT 2.) Bounty. In a HU, once you got your opponent down under 1,000 chips you don't want to give him fuel by letting him double up and his only opponent is you in the game. I also believe there was quite a difference in chip ratio's.
I should have been a bit clearer... the 2 hands and your apparent view of them:

Crapshoots KJ loses to Finks T9 - How unfortunate, sucked out on again. Had I won it my 4-1 chip disadvantage would have easily been overcome...

Crapshoots K6 beats Finks AJ - Oh hell yeah, I OWN YOU! You SUCK!!! Muahahahaha!!!!!!!!
  
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new odds update, Fink 4-5, crapshoot 2-1

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I'm very surprised to hear comments like this. 100% correct? 1. poker is never that cut and dry. The only way it could be 100% correct is with the nutz and 55% is hardly the nutz. 2. 99 is ahead most of the time preflop in a HU match but do you really need me to list how many starting hand that are ahead? Then there's the coin flips.

How many of those are Fink willing to push all-in with? It depends on your read but I'd say AK - QJ, AA - TT. And I consider that a stretch. Considering that range 99 is actually a 47% dog. Either way a virtual coin flip.

I'm not sure what books you're reading but I haven't seen anybody, pro or not, suggest that a coin flip situation is a good idea during the second round of blinds in a HU tournament when you have a 3:2 chip lead. Crapshoot is in the chip lead and there's a lot of tournament left.

If we were going to base the whole tournament on a coin flip then why play poker? We could save time by flipping coins.

In a cash game the play was mathematical correct but a tournament where you can't re-buy is a different story.
This hand was played 1000% correctly , end of story, u may choose to play it differently and that s fine , but that would be the wrong way to play it. If u dont want to listen , i dont really care. G L to u
  
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I'm very surprised to hear comments like this. 100% correct? 1. poker is never that cut and dry. The only way it could be 100% correct is with the nutz and 55% is hardly the nutz. 2. 99 is ahead most of the time preflop in a HU match but do you really need me to list how many starting hand that are ahead? Then there's the coin flips.

How many of those are Fink willing to push all-in with? It depends on your read but I'd say AK - QJ, AA - TT. And I consider that a stretch. Considering that range 99 is actually a 47% dog. Either way a virtual coin flip.

I'm not sure what books you're reading but I haven't seen anybody, pro or not, suggest that a coin flip situation is a good idea during the second round of blinds in a HU tournament when you have a 3:2 chip lead. Crapshoot is in the chip lead and there's a lot of tournament left.

If we were going to base the whole tournament on a coin flip then why play poker? We could save time by flipping coins.

In a cash game the play was mathematical correct but a tournament where you can't re-buy is a different story.
There are 5 higher starting hands and 164 worse starting hands.

On an all-in with 99 in a full game you will have 31 calls and 1,194 folds.

Is it so wrong to weigh the 1,194 against the 31?

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There are 5 higher starting hands and 164 worse starting hands.
Keep that in mind before you make your next "I can't believe this donkey pushed all in with 55" post (since there are only 9 higher starting hands). If poker was a black and white game I'm positive that you would be somewhat successful... its those damn shade of grey that you just don't quite understand.
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On an all-in with 99 in a full game you will have 31 calls and 1,194 folds.
Anyone have any idea what this means?
  
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