FINK VS. CRAPSHOOT HEADS UP SHOWDOWN!

Do you actually believe some of the things you throw out there? Just because you say it doesn't make it true. The exact odds in this case are 53.63% for 77 and 45.89% for Q9. Classic case of underpair versus overcards.

I don't know what dictionary you looked up dominating in but I'm quite sure it is not the one I and most other poker players adhere to.

Congrats on winning but Fink is absolutely right, you see things from two different pairs of reading glasses depending on which side of the luck you are on.

Fink and I aren't saying this to berate you but to help you see things differently. I also think it is why both of us wanted you to keep track of your results in Poker Tracker and after maybe 10,000 hands you'd have a decent sample to examine your play.

BTW, here is a decent place to test %'s in hands

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem#

Also this is a very good program to help analyze your decisions in SNGs

http://www.sitngo-analyzer.com/

OK Rocket even in using the Card Player calculator the odds are 54.10% vs 45.50%...now I do believe that 54.10% is higher and the winning hand at the time, even though the Q9o is two over cards it still takes a hit to do it...now in most cases the cards in the hand will not be hit, now couple that with the fact that my all-in is chump change vs every bit of tournament blood in the Q9o losing hand at the time. Now which do you prefer - a chance to end the tourney, without a tourney ending possibility if you lose...or to stick it all on the line in a tourney ending call if you don't get lucky with a come from behind luck board...I will always take the ahead at the time scenario as opposed to putting my blood in the hands of luck...it's a no brainier decision.

The correct moves here are...all-in with 77 and muck with Q9o.

Even in your SnG Power tools it has an example of a 150/300 blind level and you are holding QTo in the SB...You might be thinking "All-in"? why not a mini raise to 600 here, I want survival value. Good players don't risk all their chips unless they have to and to that I say "you are thinking like the guys that I crush daily in these things. Snap out of it! Think about what happens if you raise to 600, you are giving your opponent 3:1 pot odds to call the bet. There will be 1200 in the pot, so the only option on the flop is all-in (or at least a bet that leaves you pot committed). if you don't pair up (which you won't about 2/3 of the time) and check, you are likely to get his whole stack shoved in your face. you will be left in a tough spot and will probably have to fold. Your opponent has just risked 300 chips to win 900. That's a pretty good deal for him and you're not in the business of handing out good deals, your in the business of taking 'em.

Now that is with a QTo steal, which is no where near a 77 paired pockets.

Again a no brainier!

What else ya got for me!

PokerStars Game #17739861003: Tournament #89775707, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2008/05/27 - 21:38:32 (ET) Table '89775707 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: FinK22 (710 in chips)
Seat 2: xCRAPSHOOTx (2290 in chips)
xCRAPSHOOTx: posts small blind 10
FinK22: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xCRAPSHOOTx [7d 7c]
xCRAPSHOOTx: raises 40 to 60
FinK22: raises 100 to 160
xCRAPSHOOTx: raises 2130 to 2290 and is all-in
FinK22: calls 550 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1580) returned to xCRAPSHOOTx
*** FLOP *** [4d Ad 6d]
*** TURN *** [4d Ad 6d] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [4d Ad 6d 8d] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FinK22: shows [9c Qh] (a pair of Queens)
xCRAPSHOOTx: shows [7d 7c] (a flush, Ace high)
xCRAPSHOOTx collected 1420 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1420 | Rake 0
Board [4d Ad 6d 8d Qs]
Seat 1: FinK22 (big blind) showed [9c Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens Seat 2: xCRAPSHOOTx (button) (small blind) showed [7d 7c] and won (1420) with a flush, Ace high


The play by fink in this hand was just awful. The only thing I can come up with is, maybe you had him so frustrated crapshoot that he felt he had to resort to playing like this. First the reraise out of position shortstacked with q9 off, all I can think of is maybe you were not looking at your cards during this hand. Then we have the call, clearly made out of desperation and deep down you knew you were either crushed or you might get lucky and have a 40/60 race.

Children gimme...you buy them books and send them to school and what do you end up with...donks!

God give me a break. Did you or did you not say that 77 was a dominating hand? I am saying it is not a dominating hand.

I never said you were not ahead. But it is a coin flip situation, yes you are favored but it is clearly not a dominating hand.

Again, when someone questions your statements they are either wrong or you are 100% right. Frankly I've taken tons of bad beats (or what i thought were) in my life. But upon listening to others analysis of my play, reading and replaying hands in PT and such, I learned that what happened to me many times was possibly my own fault.

Again, you tend to make absolute statements (a thing to avoid most times especially the online site). When people offer different viewpoints (not just me there are others) you rarely if ever see the merit in their comments.

Thus you win.

Now here this, I totally am in 100% agreement, Crapshoot takes more bad beats then anyone I know and 77 is a dominating hand to overcards and AJx all-in pre-flop at blind level 2 is a solid play.

God Rocket finally agrees with me as does his bible SnG Power tools.....you will very rarely have the nuts Rocket and yes it does take risk, but sometimes those risk have to be taken when you are in front! Better off being in front taking risk's than being behind taking risk's don't ya think!

There were only 2 all-in hands with AJ in my meetings with Fink and your hero Fink had them both times and lost the hand both times. Now let me get something straight...does AJ just pertain to just me or does it pertain to Fink also?

Now if I am the BB with AJ and the board is folded to the SB and the SB with 500 chips against my 15,000 calls the half bet or a 1x raise would it Ok to go all-in or does it mean never, ever, ever go all-in with AJ unconditionally?

No one ever said Fink was my hero and frankly I haven't really paid attention to your hands in this match other than the 77 one and frankly I agree with Gimme that a re-raise with Q9 is a terrible play and likely out of frustration.

My AJx comments are about a number of ****" (excuse the pun) bad beats you got holding AJ.

so whats the overall score? can anyone tell me

Come'on Rocket you know my AJ bitches were made out of frustration because I lost with the top hands....I don't believe that AJ is an all-in hand...but at the right times it is!

The scores are in the thread leet. The little guy in the pictures is Fink.