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Old 05-06-2008, 02:13 AM
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You have read all my post complaining in the past, who loses with KK almost 100% of the times...who get's sucked out 99.9% of the times, who loses almost all the times when they flop nut straights, nut flushes and nut boats. I just lost a game where I again flopped a flush, not a nut flush but none the less a flush...I bet all-in and get called by a set of 4,s...yes he river's for quad 4's...a one outer for quads. I have come to the conclusion that if I am dominating plus have 24 outs and my opponent has 2 outs...then he is a dead lock for a win!

Mars, you want to talk to me about odds some more?

You want to see Big Brown lose then sell him to me and I will run him against the next horse going to the glue factory.

Maybe I have to play the donk game, be an ATC player and make miracle draw calls against all odds, because by playing with the odds is sure death for me.

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Mars, you want to talk to me about odds some more?
Why? Does you posting that you lose 100% of the time with KK and 99.9%when you get your chips in with the lead make it fact? Of course not, because it isn't. Get PT and show us a SS of your history with KK 2 months from now and I'll prove it to you. I still can't figure out if you simply want people to feel sorry for you or if you actually believe it.
If you would like me to convince you of your rediculous exaggerations I can show you one in what you just posted:
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I just lost a game where I again flopped a flush, not a nut flush but none the less a flush...I bet all-in and get called by a set of 4,s...yes he river's for quad 4's...a one outer for quads
Your opponent hit a one outer for quads... while that is true on it's face, it doesn't change the fact that your opponent was 35% to win the hand when the chips went in. If the board pairs you lose... you aren't hitting the rail any harder because he happened to hit quads than you would have if he made a boat.
  
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Why? Does you posting that you lose 100% of the time with KK and 99.9%when you get your chips in with the lead make it fact? Of course not, because it isn't. Get PT and show us a SS of your history with KK 2 months from now and I'll prove it to you. I still can't figure out if you simply want people to feel sorry for you or if you actually believe it.
If you would like me to convince you of your rediculous exaggerations I can show you one in what you just posted:

Your opponent hit a one outer for quads... while that is true on it's face, it doesn't change the fact that your opponent was 35% to win the hand when the chips went in. If the board pairs you lose... you aren't hitting the rail any harder because he happened to hit quads than you would have if he made a boat.
I will get PT and prove it and then you will say I fudged the figures.

Yes he had a shot at a boat also...are you telling me that the odds are in his favor to hit a boat or a one out for quads...get serious.

No Fink, I don't want people to feel sorry for me, I want people to stop thinking that odds are God's!...and to stop thinking that dominance is their savior!

You have to get the donks out of the hand, which is a near impossible task online.

They all play NL like they are playing limit...will that make them winners...fuck no...will they knock you out...you bet. I am not referring to the set hand, he had a legitimate right in calling.

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it doesn't change the fact that your opponent was 35% to win the hand when the chips went in..
LOL, what Fink, I should have folded my Big blind bet..since I had nothing to call? Or not bet the flopped flush and folded to a bet...maybe you play like that, I don't.

Now just how was he a 35% favorite to win the hand when the chips went in...let's see,my chips went in twice...once before the cards were even dealt and then when I had a flush to his set. Please point out where he was favored!

Your amazing Fink...you would tell someone, after the fact that they should have folded their Aces full of Kings boat because the bettor could have the royal flush.

These after the fact theorist are a joke!...
Monday morning quarterbacks...Hello...the game is on Sunday!

If you could play the games in a re-run...then you would win them all!

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LOL, what Fink, I should have folded my Big blind bet..since I had nothing to call? Or not bet the flopped flush and folded to a bet...maybe you play like that, I don't.
I never once said you made a bad play and I never once said you should have folded. Seriously, what post were you reading?
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Now just how was he a 35% favorite to win the hand when the chips went in...let's see,my chips went in twice...once before the cards were even dealt and then when I had a flush to his set. Please point out where he was favored!
Don't believe I ever used the word "favorite", I said he had a 35% chance of winning the hand (if I have to spell everything out for you that means you had a 65% chance of winning the hand... simple math bud).

And I apologize... "when the chips went in" is a poker term, it simply refers to the point in the hand where an all in was made and called.
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Your amazing Fink...you would tell someone, after the fact that they should have folded their Aces full of Kings boat because the bettor could have the royal flush.
Again, I never suggested that you should have folded... I never once even commented on the way either yourself or your opponent played the hand. I was simply pointing out that with 7 specific winning cards on the turn and 10 specific winning cards on the river this wasn't exactly the "one out on the river" bad beat that you like to think it was.
  
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Crap, please get PT,run it for a two months and don't make conclusions until you can review the stats after that. Then post the stats if you want and I'm sure many on here would give you a fair opinion.

I heard Kaart say he thanked you for becoming the player he is. I just think somewhere along the way your analysis got a bit warped. Fink is dead-on in his odds analysis.

When the post odds on TV when players are all-in, they don't post them on a certain out but all the outs. In this case he hit a particular out but it was just 1 of 10 outs.
  
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Crap, please get PT,run it for a two months and don't make conclusions until you can review the stats after that. Then post the stats if you want and I'm sure many on here would give you a fair opinion.

I heard Kaart say he thanked you for becoming the player he is. I just think somewhere along the way your analysis got a bit warped. Fink is dead-on in his odds analysis.

When the post odds on TV when players are all-in, they don't post them on a certain out but all the outs. In this case he hit a particular out but it was just 1 of 10 outs.
Right Rocket, excuse me for saying it that way, but I did say 1 out for quads, not total outs. However I disagree with Fink on making it sound like the opponents 35% chance was something to woop about...he's still a dog, odds that we would like all our opponents to have.

As far as PT...2 months in the future doesn't count, who know, even my luck can change...I would like to go several years in the past, but I don't think that I can get records that far back from PS.
  
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The past is gone deal with the future and fact is

No serious player, I personally know, plays without PT. Doesn't mean they have real-time stats on screen while they play but does mean they don' t rely on their memory when a computer trail is much more acurate.

Why someone wouldn't want to see real time stats of their opponents as they play and most of all mucked showdown cards as they happen (rather than have to going to hand history is beyond me). Seeing what people muck is huge let alone the value of being able to review your hand play to plug leaks.

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The past is gone deal with the future and fact is

No serious player, I personally know, plays without PT. Doesn't mean they have real-time stats on screen while they play but does mean they don' t rely on their memory when a computer trail is much more acurate.

Why someone wouldn't want to see real time stats of their opponents as they play and most of all mucked showdown cards as they happen (rather than have to going to hand history is beyond me). Seeing what people muck is huge let alone the value of being able to review your hand play to plug leaks.

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The past is gone deal with the future and fact is

No serious player, I personally know, plays without PT. Doesn't mean they have real-time stats on screen while they play but does mean they don' t rely on their memory when a computer trail is much more acurate.

Why someone wouldn't want to see real time stats of their opponents as they play and most of all mucked showdown cards as they happen (rather than have to going to hand history is beyond me). Seeing what people muck is huge let alone the value of being able to review your hand play to plug leaks.

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I dont use PT, i dont even know what the hell PT is.What does it do, is it good? But then again i am a live bot anyway , so im assuming this is some sort of poker computer program to capture players hands. It would probly just slow me down.
  
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Crapshoot if u can prove to me over the next 100 times u get KK u lose 99.9% of these hands, i will pay u 10 thousand dollars in cash. I will actually lower the percent down to 75%. If they are played all in preflop. What will u do with the 10k? This is a lock for u. Thats a main even t buy in for u.
  
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