Why does this keep on happening!

I'm the low stack on the bubble...thought that I would apply some pressure ...wasn't looking for a call.....turns out top pockets....felt good at the flop with Aces over and then...

PokerStars Game #16180948809: Tournament #81924202, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/03/23 - 00:31:14 (ET)
Table '81924202 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: bus05 (3725 in chips)
Seat 2: xCRAPSHOOTx (1875 in chips)
Seat 3: Bill7334 (5665 in chips)
Seat 4: gillgamas (2235 in chips)
gillgamas: posts small blind 100
bus05: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xCRAPSHOOTx [6d Ah]
xCRAPSHOOTx: raises 1675 to 1875 and is all-in
Bill7334: calls 1875
gillgamas: folds
bus05: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 6s Ac]
*** TURN *** [Qs 6s Ac] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 6s Ac 3c] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xCRAPSHOOTx: shows [6d Ah] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
Bill7334: shows [Jh Kc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Bill7334 collected 4050 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4050 | Rake 0
Board [Qs 6s Ac 3c Td]
Seat 1: bus05 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: xCRAPSHOOTx showed [6d Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 3: Bill7334 (button) showed [Jh Kc] and won (4050) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 4: gillgamas (small blind) folded before Flop

I would not be calling an all-in with KJ off...but it always happens and then they hit!...is there any wounder why the ATC players keep on winning?

Now I know that the standard answer is...things balance out...and to that I say let's go back 3 or 5 years of my poker history and show me when it has happened on my side...but I can show you thousands of hands where it has happened to me.

As chip leader, I dont; mind the call with K j, as the all in is from the short stack. If he has been reading the posts from Cat5cane, he knows this is a good steal position from utg, from a short stack. It reps more strenght than u really have, and if he hits, bubble is burst, if he doesn't he still has chips.

This kind of play doesn't work Deuce...you can see that he was the chip leader before he busted me...he now has even more chips, almost 2,200 more...and guess what...he was the next to bust out...this type of play catches up with you...you can only be lucky for soo long and frankly I was suprised as to how long he was getting away with it during the game!

Even with the bettor in the steal position...you still have to respect him...after all, how do you know...he could have AA...it's not like a 2x's or 3x's steal...it's an all-in!...if I were in his position, my cards would have hit the muck pile even tho I'm the chip leader...there is no need to throw chips away there...he loses...he is no longer the chip leader!

Fine. I can still see why a person would do it, in that scenario. . You didn't mention he was a bad player over all in the initial post. If he was, and paid the price, then everything worked out anyway.

Now in my situation (may be a lil different) it paid off quite nicely for me. I came in 2nd for $54.

PokerStars Game #16181705231: Tournament #81928455, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/03/23 - 01:17:43 (ET)
Table '81928455 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: fasted53 (1735 in chips)
Seat 3: debrisfish (3765 in chips)
Seat 5: The_Venetian (1155 in chips)
Seat 7: CalifNaughti (5308 in chips)
Seat 9: hohanchua (1537 in chips)
The_Venetian: posts small blind 75
CalifNaughti: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CalifNaughti [Ah 7d]
hohanchua: folds
fasted53: calls 150
debrisfish: folds
The_Venetian: folds
CalifNaughti: checks
*** FLOP *** [As 8c 8s]
CalifNaughti: bets 450
fasted53: calls 450
*** TURN *** [As 8c 8s] [Ad]
CalifNaughti: bets 4708 and is all-in
fasted53: calls 1135 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [As 8c 8s Ad] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CalifNaughti: shows [Ah 7d] (four of a kind, Aces)
fasted53: shows [Js Qs] (a full house, Aces full of Eights)
CalifNaughti collected 3545 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3545 | Rake 0
Board [As 8c 8s Ad Ac]
Seat 2: fasted53 showed [Js Qs] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Eights
Seat 3: debrisfish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: The_Venetian (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: CalifNaughti (big blind) showed [Ah 7d] and won (3545) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 9: hohanchua folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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My question is... why? This happens to you on a daily basis and has for the past how many years? You flopped two pair yet he was one card away from broadway... and it felt GOOD? If it was me and the flop came A76 I would assume he was going to hit running QT and would not be surprised at all when it happened.
I can't grasp why, after many years of playing poker, why does a play like this surprise or upset you in ANY way? Still trying to figure out why your opponent plays the way he does? Seriously? I've told you a hundred and one times the reason. The VAST MAJORITY of people playing online poker are doing it for recreation... for entertainment... there is very little rhyme or reason to their play, they are simply passing the time and having fun. Does it really MATTER to them if they lose? Of course not. Can you honestly not understand an all in call by a recreational player with KJ? A big part of poker is understanding people... if you can't understand and/or accept a play that you see day after day for years then you are a lost cause...
We can't show you what has happened on your side as you don't use PT and you don't keep detailed records of the hands that you win (only those that you lose). People tend to forget or disregard the hands that they do win and dwell on those that they lost. It's like the guys who post the "I can't believe I got sucked out on the bubble!" threads and show their stats for the tourny... 20% of flops seen, 12/13 on showdowns... they can't seem to grasp that their hands pulled through 12 times out of 12. They only tend to remember the one time things went bad.

Right Fink...he had a four outer at the flop and still a four outer at the turn...I guess that I should have looked for a big rock to crawl under.

Now if I told you that I had a gutshot and was surprised that my opponents Aces over held up...you would say that I was crazy...I only had a four outer!..with only two more cards to hit the board!...72% of the cards were already dealt out!...Hell the Aces over had the same amount of outs to improve even further!

Get serious Fink, you surly would not trade a hand with Aces over for a 4 outer hand!...that's a gutshot Fink!

No it's not because they play for recreation...it's because they are morons...most children have more common sense than most online players. I just got out of a game where in the third hand of the tourney a 600 stack limped under the gun with 62 offsuit and then called a raise when it came back, he then played it out to the river because he hit his deuce, with 5 players in the pot until the end...now I can even see it, if he would have went all-in to try and buy the blinds, even though that would have been a stupid move it would have been better than limping in, under the gun with 62 off...is there any wonder why he was a 600 stack after only three hands... or the player that called a 20x's bet pre-flop with 58 because it was suited and his stack was on the short side...they are just morons...plain and simple!
I don't suck out because those suck out cards hit the muck pile...that's why I don't suck out...Why do I want to keep PT...I would want to blow up PS and hunt my opponents down if I reviewed that crap!

Do you even read what I say? Of course I wouldn't trade a hand that is ahead for a 4 outer... I don't see that I implied that I would. I simply stated that your opponent is a single card away from beating you and you get outdrawn on a daily basis... is that a situation to feel good about before you see the last 2 cards?

A tip for you... start EXPECTING the outdraw instead of getting a silly grin on your face when your opponent needs a single card to beat you. Don't sit there and throw odds, outs and everything else at me explaining why the grin is on your face... I understand that you are ahead in the hand. But when you start expecting the outdraw it doesn't sting nearly as much when it hits.
Are you really that blind? Deal with the fact that your $1 and $5 opponents will never play as if they are playing in the WSOP. They are everyday people who are just out to play a little bit of poker.

Ever see someone sit there playing $10 per hand blackjack for a couple of hours and then push everything they have left in on their last hand? Same concept. Doesn't make them morons, they are just people out having a good time. Win or lose doesn't make a whole lot of differance to them.

Fink I think you know the answer to that question all too well. He doesn't read books to improve his play (that is for losers), he doesn't take time to get PT and then have the ability to analyze his hands and learn why he is continually making these mistakes (again too much work or who knows what) and never intelligently adresses a response to his continual bad beat tales.

Instead of whining, he should try to learn through study and maybe changing his play but it is just easier to post another bad beat story I guess.

It is great that Cat5Can is rumored to have become a great player without reading any books. Most of us aren't that good at anything in life though that reading expert material won't make us better at something.

But Cat's span of poker is oh so short right now, and while impressive, a long run isn't even close to established. I used to play and watch a top SNG player at high stakes. He had a great blog I read often

http://sprstoner.blogspot.com/


Well guess what, he is done with poker as far as I know. He killed SNGs for a long while and then couldn't beat them anymore.

Poker has been and always will be an evolving game. If you want to stay ahead of the game, and in my opinion have the most reward from it, it pays to read on the subject, study your hands, get your money management down tight.

Just an opinion but one that most of the top players I know share.