Rebuy theory

I haven't upset anybody recently so it must be about time I muddied the waters. So here is my latest attempt at stirring up the ess aitch one tee. Grin.

The worst of rebuys is, there are some normally sound players who become donks once they hit a rebuy tourny. They justify it by a totally fallacious argument. They say, well, if you play like a donk, you will either get lucky and get ahead of the field, or you will rebuy which increases the number of chips on your table which you can win.

Firstly, this is wrong, because it fails to say how you are supposed to win all those extra chips. By more bad play and getting lucky? Not exactly a reliable way of getting chips is it?

Secondly, every other donkey will be doing much the same on the other tables, so you will not have more chips on your table than others.

Thirdly, if every other donkey is believing this, then the minute difference it will make to the chips on your table by leaving it to the donkeys to rebuy will be miniscule, so why waste your money when everyone else will do it for you?

Total fallacy isn't it?

Are you saying Daniel Negreanu (who has put 30+ rebuys in to a single event) it a donkey?

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So why are you complaining about it just wait for a hand and go allin and its free chips...

Humm, I dont agree

i love rebuy tables with a high count of players who go all in every hand the first hour i sit and wait on good hands and rake the chips in
as for my rebuy theory i never spend more than 5 buyins si in 3r no more than $15 if i spend more than 5 buyins i never do well in rebuys my best rebuy results have come when i am in for min buy in and 1 add on

I personally try to avoid the reckless abandon that is the re-buy period. Obviously there's a large group that tries to double up on whatever cards since they can re-buy if they lose. I try to take advantage of that. I look at it in a similar fashion but I'll wait until I have a monster and believe that I'm ahead in the hand before I try to double up. Then the re-buy is plan "B".

I feel that you have to double up one way or another before the end of the re-buy period or you put yourself at a disadvantage.

If you know the style of play that you're up against you can exploit it.

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First, I had a side bet with myself as to who would reply first. Thanks Adaon, I shall go to the pub and drink my winnings shortly.

Secondly, In my chosen profession, when I was doing it, I was one of the best, but there were areas where I know damn well I had some horrendous weak spots. DN is not perfect, merely a fellow human being. He like me is bloody good at what he does. But he like me will have his weak points. There is no such thing as someone without weak points. That may or may not be his. It is a possibility.

To the rest of you, I notice none of you have made any attempt at actually refuting the logic I presented. The usual reason that people do that is that they don't know how to do it. Go on guys, do a proper job of it, it's more fun for all of us.

It was him or D'Agastino, but less people know who that is.

I do NOT play with this style, but it's important to recognize the details of it.

1)This is meant primarily for live play, at tables not scheduled to break. The reason is simple, this way you actually have a shot at getting your chips back.

2)There is more strategy involved then "push any 2 cards" The more the rebuy phase moves on, the more "A game" you are playing, for most pros this means a medium sized raise preflop, and very aggressive post flop. But the bets become bigger in a rebuy tournament, and since an individual call is a lower portion of someone else's stack they will get more action.

3)Not everyone who claims this strategy knows how to play it. You get a lot of people who just push and push without knowing what they are doing. So to judge pros who play this way vs random people is not valid in my opinion.

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Apologies, RD - I only just woke up 30 minutes ago


Firstly, this is wrong, because it fails to say how you are supposed to win all those extra chips. By more bad play and getting lucky? Not exactly a reliable way of getting chips is it?

Okay, let's assume 1500 starting chips, your stack is 7500 after the break, and table average is 12000 (this example obviously doesn't have the extreme all ins, but it still applies). Rebuy period ends, there are 108,000 chips on your table to win - that's a lot easier to win if you have more chips, right?

Secondly, every other donkey will be doing much the same on the other tables, so you will not have more chips on your table than others.

You're right, you won't have more chips on your table than others. However, if you don't participate in these all ins, you will have less.

Thirdly, if every other donkey is believing this, then the minute difference it will make to the chips on your table by leaving it to the donkeys to rebuy will be miniscule, so why waste your money when everyone else will do it for you?

You also want a chance to make some chips. Yes, you could try to just to double up when you have a premium (it's actually what I do since I don't have the b/r to put in 40 buy ins), but what if you're card dead, or the one time you're deal KK, you're busted by A3 SOOTED? You need to push on a regular basis and hope you get lucky on a couple occasions. At the very least, you will generally have some live cards involved.

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