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I had two unusual games today - they were unusual for different reasons.

I signed on for an omaha h/l pl at Jungle Poker, a freeroll qualifier with 30 tickets to the weekend $1k. After signing up StevenJV and ScottishBen and myself were typing in the chatbox and a $3 turbo single table was organised. I thought it was a good opportunity to play against those good players so signed up for that aslo. I was playing the SnG and just had one eye on the omaha when I made a stupid mistake and lost a big chunk of my omaha stack. After that I sat out and played the SnG.

ScottishBen then mentioned a HORSE turbo SnG. I love the occasional game of HORSE but I don't need to be too honest with myself to say I have weaknesses. Still, it's a fun game and since I had intended to make my first deposit at pokerstars later today, I was pleased to play.

With the HORSE beginning, I look back at my Omaha game at Jungle. I had been sitting out and had just 100 chips left with the blinds at 100. I'm just too late to click the 'I'm back' button and I watch a pretty decent hand go to muck.
Anyway my next hand, isnt great but not bad, I push my 100 chips, return to the HORSE and don't wait to see the result.

When I look back to Jungle, I have 500 chips. Next hand I'm dealt 2346 and make maximum bets in the pot. I'm allin again and back at my HORSE game.

Again I've won the pot at Jungle. I win again on another good hand and I'm around 4000 chips. With only 47 people left in I have a decent of making the cut and gaining 1 of the 30 tickets to the Jungle 1k weekly.

I continue with my HORSE. I'm taking Ben's advice of playing tight on my weakest games. I expect Limit Holdem to be my strongest, followed by Omaha hl - and the razz and stud games I'll tighten up and wing it when I have a really good hand. I'm getting nothing dealt in the HORSE and playing very few hands. Infact Ben laughed and asked was it a competition between me and him to see who played the least hands.

Back at Jungle I'm picking hands and doing fine, I make around 15,000 chips, there's a few sitters around on small stacks and know I can now coast into the top 30 places. Amazing game.

I play just the HORSE now. The first round of limit hold em passes me by, I have either no hand or no position and without searching for the hand history , I don't think I played one hold em hand in that round. I'm very careful on the first hands of stud since I'm not sure if it's stud high or high/low and have to ask Ben. The game changes to stud h/l and I begin to earn some chips. I had some good draws and hit some hands and to be honest if I couldnt win chips with those hands I'd want strangling.

Ben gets unlucky on two hands and has most of his stack in when I hit a straight on fifth. With 4 players left, small stack survives and I manage to take the biggest part of the other two players stacks in omaha h/l. I'm heads-up and after a few hands of hold em I'm in a commanding lead..

PokerStars Game #6775687668: Tournament #34495004, $3.00+$0.40 HORSE (Hold'em Limit) - Level XI (500/1000) - 2006/10/26 - 10:38:15 (ET)
Table '34495004 1' 8-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: 7letters (10392 in chips)
Seat 5: horssieg (1608 in chips)

I can't lose can I?


Anyway, Eucalypta arrives home from a shopping trip, I'm chatting away to her feeling over confident that I can't lose the game. I've done all the hard work. The kids are asking me questions and since I said I'd cook I'm planning what's for dinner.

I lose a hand when I've raised a KJ all the way and think he'll put it down but he doesnt and he gets back to 3700 chips. I think my opponent isnt going to call all my SB raises in Limit Hold em and I continue pushing to get the game over. I stupidly raise an 8-5 from the small blind. I know if he calls it's his whole stack he's playing for. He calls and has 5d3d and he wins on a pair. They get quite a few more chips later when again I get over aggressive trying to finish them off.

With my chip lead back to 10K v 2K I raise an A5o from BB. Raise the flop and when an A falls on the turn I raise for his last 400 chips. He's playing AK and we enter omaha h/l . Going into the penultimate hand, I'm slightly behind on chips and lose the game there when I raise with Tc 9s Qh Qc. Flop is Jh 6c Ad and a pair of A's win. I played the hand badly and should of folded on the river.


The limit hold em which I considered my strongest part of the HORSE ..well...I played terribly...infact I'll have to say it's the worst play I've seen not only from myself but from anybody! I'm not sure how it's possible to lose such a commanding lead but I did. The other player is possibly writing how they came back from a 10 to 1 chip disadvantage in some forum now lol

Anyway it's taught me a lesson or rather reminded me that it ain't over till it's over. It was just one single table $3 SnG but it was difficult to get off my mind. Infact it left me feeling a little sick - at least I had the cooking to look forward to

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would be interested in seeing the second hand that knocked me out if you have it stored 7 - after the first one (ahead all the way guy gets trip 6s on river to beat my (higher) 2 pair. The second one was a real tough hand to play and i think it quite possible that i missplayed it (though I was unlucky and had good odds for my actions)

Yep it is tough when you lose a seemingly unlosable position through a combination of bad luck and possibly taking your eye off the ball. We have all done it but that doesnt make it any easier. Just need to make sure you dont do it again. Sometimes i think the decisions are actually easier if you are the short stack in these sorts of situations.
  
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Yeh give me a minute and I'll post it Ben. It would be interesting for me to hear what you thought of my play too. I seem to remember checking(edit- no I called your bet) after I'd made my straight on fifth but then when I looked around at yours and the other guys hands I began to think it was a bad check(edit-call) and I should of raised. It certainly seemed so when I got a four on 6th which made my straight a bit easier to believe.


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PokerStars Game #6775519802: Tournament #34495004, $3.00+$0.40 HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit) - Level V (80/160) - 2006/10/26 - 10:08:07 (ET)
Table '34495004 1' 8-max
Seat 1: The Tinker (571 in chips)
Seat 2: Scottishben (926 in chips)
Seat 3: 7letters (1435 in chips)
Seat 4: mommajoe64 (2498 in chips)
Seat 5: horssieg (1880 in chips)
Seat 6: tubs36 (964 in chips)
Seat 7: Big_Arnold (1514 in chips)
Seat 8: medeiros13 (2212 in chips)
Scottishben: posts the ante 16
7letters: posts the ante 16
mommajoe64: posts the ante 16
horssieg: posts the ante 16
tubs36: posts the ante 16
Big_Arnold: posts the ante 16
medeiros13: posts the ante 16
The Tinker: posts the ante 16
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to The Tinker [8c]
Dealt to Scottishben [Qh]
Dealt to 7letters [4c 7d 5d]
Dealt to mommajoe64 [9d]
Dealt to horssieg [Qc]
Dealt to tubs36 [2h]
Dealt to Big_Arnold [Qd]
Dealt to medeiros13 [2s]
tubs36: brings-in low 24
Big_Arnold: folds
medeiros13: folds
The Tinker: folds
Scottishben: calls 24
7letters: calls 24
mommajoe64: calls 24
horssieg: calls 24
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Scottishben [Qh] [2d]
Dealt to 7letters [4c 7d 5d] [6c]
Dealt to mommajoe64 [9d] [5h]
Dealt to horssieg [Qc] [8s]
Dealt to tubs36 [2h] [4s]
horssieg: checks
tubs36: bets 80
medeiros13 said, "damn it! didn't notice game change"
Scottishben: calls 80
7letters: calls 80
mommajoe64: folds
horssieg: calls 80
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Scottishben [Qh 2d] [7c]
Dealt to 7letters [4c 7d 5d 6c] [8h]
Dealt to horssieg [Qc 8s] [Ad]
Dealt to tubs36 [2h 4s] [Jh]
Scottishben said, "h/l just now lol"
horssieg: checks
tubs36: checks
Scottishben: bets 160
7letters: calls 160
horssieg: calls 160
tubs36: calls 160
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Scottishben [Qh 2d 7c] [Kh]
Dealt to 7letters [4c 7d 5d 6c 8h] [4d]
Dealt to horssieg [Qc 8s Ad] [3d]
Dealt to tubs36 [2h 4s Jh] [6s]
horssieg: checks
tubs36: checks
Scottishben: bets 160
7letters: raises 160 to 320
medeiros13 said, "had good h/l hand that i folded b/c i didn't notice change lol"
horssieg: folds
tubs36: raises 160 to 480
Scottishben said, "mmmmmmm"
Scottishben said, "yuck"
Scottishben: calls 320
7letters: raises 160 to 640
Betting is capped
tubs36: calls 160
Scottishben: calls 160
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to 7letters [4c 7d 5d 6c 8h 4d] [Qs]
Scottishben: bets 6 and is all-in
7letters: raises 154 to 160
tubs36: calls 44 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
7letters: shows [4c 7d 5d 6c 8h 4d Qs] (HI: a straight, Four to Eight; LO: 8,7,6,5,4)
tubs36: shows [3c 5s 2h 4s Jh 6s 9s] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,3,2)
7letters collected 38 from side pot
tubs36 collected 38 from side pot
Scottishben: shows [4h 7h Qh 2d 7c Kh Td] (HI: a pair of Sevens)
7letters collected 1573 from main pot
tubs36 collected 1573 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3222 Main pot 3146. Side pot 76. | Rake 0
Seat 1: The Tinker folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Scottishben showed [4h 7h Qh 2d 7c Kh Td] and lost with HI: a pair of Sevens
Seat 3: 7letters showed [4c 7d 5d 6c 8h 4d Qs] and won (1611) with HI: a straight, Four to Eight; LO: 8,7,6,5,4
Seat 4: mommajoe64 folded on the 4th Street
Seat 5: horssieg folded on the 6th Street
Seat 6: tubs36 showed [3c 5s 2h 4s Jh 6s 9s] and won (1611) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,3,2
Seat 7: Big_Arnold folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: medeiros13 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
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more I think about it the more my play sucked in that hand. In higher limits (i sometimes play 20$ horse MTTs) my bet when I get the 7 (pairing me and still giving me prospects for flushes and cards that could give me lows might be ok as it seems to me that both sides are either playing for lows or have v weak high hands . Each have possible straights that could develop so i wanted to put pressure on them but it was probably an error.

With the king of hearts appearing I think I can represent 2 pair here and think that this might get the people chasing straights/lows to fold. This is very probably an error. As soon as there are two raises I am in a tough position because there is so much in the pot already.

However it seems pretty certain that someone will have a low here and my low draw is unlikely to come good. I didnt think it was quite as terrible is it really was. Considering i am very probably only playing for half the pot i probably am not priced in (particularly in a tourney where elimination is an issue).

Still it was not too terrible on the scale of things but clearly was not good play. I thought there was probably more of a chance of you guys not having lows early on.

I am not good enough at stud 8/b to assess your play 7. I am pretty sure that tubs didnt have odds with his 2345. It is likely from the betting that you have an ace so there is probably 1 less out for him. If he gets a low with an 8 its beatable so really he has not many outs for the low or the high. Me betting on the next street might give him something of implied odds (along with you catching your straight too) but given you have a 6 he does not have many outs.

Still I was unlucky that you both caught your straights (maximising the damage to my stack) and that i didnt get my flush AND that the other guy got his low AND .... but still I cannot claim to have played the hand well.
  
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