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Old 03-20-2008, 02:01 PM
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The other night in my regular live game I came across an interesting situation and I'd like to get everybody's thoughts. I guess the real question is, could I have justified a call here?

9 people at the table
blinds 1/2
I'm on the button

The dealer exposed the Ks when he dealt it to a player in middle position and he chose to keep it. This player is very loose.

I'm dealt AA

3 limpers + the blinds before me

I lead out with $12 - I know this is a small bet in this pot but I figure I had position and I could build the pot.

4 callers (including the Ks)
Flop = A72 all spades

Ks bets $40, everybody folds to me

With a bet like that I'm about 80% sure he doesn't have another spade with his King. If he did, why would he try to bet me out of the pot? At this point I have roughly $110 in my stack. I figure there's 0% chance of him folding to an all-in raise so I call.

Turn = 9s

Ks bets $50 with the known nut flush

Pot = $180 +/-

I have $70 behind me and 7 outs. Found out after the hand the case ace was mucked but I didn't know that when making the decision.

I folded and didn't get a chance to see the river. I couldn't make myself do it knowing 100% he had the flush. The numbers seem so close though I almost regret folding and letting a pot that big get away without a fight.

BTW, he had a Jc with the Ks so my initial read on the flop was right.

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The first thought that popped into my head was, why was he allowed to keep the exposed card? Normally rules dictate the exposed card is shown to all and mucked and replaced by a down card as long as it is not the blinds or button (which would be a misdeal). I have never known it to be a players choice. Was this a home game?

As far as your play, the only thing I would have done differently is bet much more preflop. Hard to say though since you may know the players well. You had to pair the board or get your case A, not likely. Good fold.
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This is more of an "underground" poker room with a full-time dealer. Not a casino but it's as close as it gets around here. I can't speak how a casino would handle an exposed card but all the poker rooms like this in this area give the player the choice so it's standard around here. If it's in the blinds then it's a misdeal.

I don't think there's any question a bigger bet preflop was probably more appropriate but I wanted to generate some action as well as disguise my hand a little. In retrospect, the result wouldn't have changed much if i raised to $16 or something because I'm 100% sure that this particular player would have called regardless, given his loose nature.
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Im the curious type,so Id prolly called just to see what he had.Especially if I could afford to lose some.If money was real tight,I mighta folded.but doubt it.AA is just hard to beat.
  
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Im the curious type,so Id prolly called just to see what he had.Especially if I could afford to lose some.If money was real tight,I mighta folded.but doubt it.AA is just hard to beat.
...there were 4 spades on the board and Dinero knew his opponent had the K of spades because it was exposed on the deal...
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...there were 4 spades on the board and Dinero knew his opponent had the K of spades because it was exposed on the deal...
Ha. Yeah, there was no doubt that he had the nut flush. The only question mark left for me was whether I should pay to see if I could pair the board or hit the case ace.

I didn't get a chance to rabbit the river so I'll never know if I would have hit. Regardless, I can't let the result cloud my judgment. Granted I'm probably thinking about this one too much but it was a big pot and I hate to just lay down to that kind of money.

Well here goes...

5.57:1 to win the hand
3.6: Pot

Seems like an easy laydown but the implied odds confuse me a little. I was almost certain to get the remainder of my $70 paid off if I hit so that puts me right at,

5:1 for the pot, right?

The implied odds factor throws me off a bit.

If I didn't know for sure he had the spade I probably would have called it but it's tough to make a true odds only call like that while staring a nut flush right in the face.
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Ha. Yeah, there was no doubt that he had the nut flush. The only question mark left for me was whether I should pay to see if I could pair the board or hit the case ace.

I didn't get a chance to rabbit the river so I'll never know if I would have hit. Regardless, I can't let the result cloud my judgment. Granted I'm probably thinking about this one too much but it was a big pot and I hate to just lay down to that kind of money.

Well here goes...

5.57:1 to win the hand
3.6: Pot

Seems like an easy laydown but the implied odds confuse me a little. I was almost certain to get the remainder of my $70 paid off if I hit so that puts me right at,

5:1 for the pot, right?

The implied odds factor throws me off a bit.

If I didn't know for sure he had the spade I probably would have called it but it's tough to make a true odds only call like that while staring a nut flush right in the face.

No dinno good fold never river chase like that, you only will drownd yourself.

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Wait for a sure thing, the flush was in his favour already you had less than 2% for case Ace showing in my eyes.
  
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