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| how would you play this cash game? Playing Live  | |
02-19-2008, 03:35 PM
| | | | if you like your hand, call and see the flop. You will have position on most players so you can play your situation from there.
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02-22-2008, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by weikelbob Hello,
I played at a cash game last night that was very loose. Each player, except for me, played every other hand. There was 8 of us.
It was 25c/50c
I bought in for $10.00, and decided to play the following strategy:
| Been sick for a couple of days, so I'm just catching up. If I can ask, in a loose game .25/.50 game, why short buy? I'm just curious as your thoughts on it. I would think a better strategy would be to make a full buy in (around $50), and play ultra tight. The bigger stack allows you more room to gamble in your positional play, but it also gives you a much bigger "hammer" for when you do have a big hand. Think about the hand where you tripled up for your $10. Could you have walked that into a bigger win if you had more behind?
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02-22-2008, 02:19 AM
| | | | WOW! There are so many things that I dissagree with about that strategy. I don't want to repeat what rw and kaart have already said but I agree with most of it.
First, sitting down with $10 is suicide at a .25/.50 table.
Raise to $3 or $5? Are you kidding? By the time you get a chance to raise with those cards you'll be down to $7 or $8 anyway. Go all-in! If you sat across from me and did that I'd put you all-in with any reasonable hand anyway. You're commited so you can't fold. Do you really want a coin flip sitiation for your entire stack? Is that playing "tight"? I don't think so. If you play like that you might as well be playing roulette.
I've written a few blogs about my recent live ring game style. It's certainly not for everybody and probably a little advanced for your experience but it might help you get some ideas.
Don't be afraid to see a flop. Frankly, the more players in the pot the better off you are because the pot odds turn in your favor. That's a place where position helps. If you see 4 callers before you and only the SB and BB left to act, you can call with that 86s. If you hit cool. If not get out and move on. That'll be hard to do with $10 though. Buy in for $25-$50. We have minimums at our game so there isn't a bunch of all-in BS.
Good luck next time.
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02-22-2008, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rw11687 Actually, its the complete opposite. Cash games are much tighter, blinds don't force people to play lesser hands. If you want to learn how to play cash games, my suggestion is to play tight, but play POSITION. Dont play cut and dry, but dont play anything less than AJs from early position. Raise with a variety of hands if its folded to you in late position. | My experience is completely the opposite of yours rw.
Granted late in a tournament you'll see a lot of all-ins because of the blinds but as a general rule (me included) you'll see more speculative hands, bluffing and gambling in the cash game. In theory all you need to put your all of your chips in is 51% because you can rebuy and it'll all work out in the long run. In a tournament always rebuy so you shouldn't risk your entire tournament on a coin flip.
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02-26-2008, 05:41 AM
| | | | cash game You are making yourself way to predictable. You can't have hands that you only play or don't play. You have to mix it up, poker is all about timing. If i was in a cash game with you and you raised i would call anytime just because i know it's $3 to possibly take your whole stack if i flop 2 pair or strong draw. Its very good to play tight but sitting back and getting hands cracked is certainly not fun. | |
02-26-2008, 03:32 PM
| | | | We have a weekly home game ($0.50/$1) that is very loose, aggressive. It's a very tough game and playing in that game every week has really helped me improve my game a lot.
One thing about a weekly game is you get to know the people. Knowing how each person plays helps a lot in developing a strategy. But that can backfire on you too. We have one regular who will call just about anyone down with bottom pair. I regularly see him losing huge pots to to people who are holding middle pair. Yet it seems like he's always got the nuts when I'm in a hand with him. I lost a huge pot to him just a couple of weeks ago with the second nut flush to his nut flush and another huge pot just last week with KK against his AA on a queen high board.
The most consistent winner at our game is the tightest player I've ever played against. He almost never completes his small blind even if the entire table has limped in. He might play 15 or 20 hands all night. He plays them strong and people pay him off. He rarely walks away from the game with less then $150 in profit.
Alli is the biggest overall winner and she does it by playing very aggressively. Everyone has her pegged as a maniac and call her down pretty loosely and she gets paid off a lot. She is also capable of making big bluffs which often work, and which she occassionaly gets caught on. But because she gets caught making a big bluff once or twice a night, people call her big bets with very marginal hands and she wins a lot of big pots most nights.
My approach to the game is to really mix up my play. I generally play pretty tight, but connectors are a big part of my arsenal. I've developed a loose image so people tend to call me loosely. I don't bluff hardly at all, people are just too likely to call me. I almost never make continuation bets into a pot with 2 or more other people in it. I play my strong hands strongly and really pay a lot of attention to who is in the pot with me and how they are playing their hands.
The main problem I see with your game, is you don't have enough money on the table for the blinds. Let's say you pick up AK and make a standard raise of 4x the BB. You've got 1 caller and the flop comes ten high. There is $4.75 in the pot, so your standard continuation bet is about $3. If you don't get a fold and don't improve, you can't really continue in the hand. If he calls you (depending of course on who you are up against) then he probably has something. But you've now got half your stack gone. At our game, the buy in is anywhere from $20 to $100. I always buy in for the maximum, as do most people. We have a few that will buy in for $20 or $40. Those are the people that most consistently rebuy multiple times and never cash out. They just don't have enough play with the chips they have. And when they do catch a big hand and get paid off on it, they aren't able to capitalize on that because they don't have enough chips to win a really big pot. They are also easier to make moves against. It doesn't matter how much you have in front of you, it's difficult to make a decision for your whole stack without pretty close to the nuts.
And going south with the chips is something that is absolutely not allowed at our game. You'll find that is the general rule at most cash games, including in casinos. Whatever money is in play has to stay in play. We've had cases where people wanted to protect their winnings, but that's just not allowable. If there are players who are stuck, they want a chance to win their money back. If it disappears from the table, they can't do that.
One thing I would suggest is playing micro stakes cash games online if you want to work on developing a cash game. Alli always considered herself a tournament player and we'd go to local cash games and she'd generally lose multiple buy ins. She had this mentality that she was a tournament player and not a cash game player. It's really a completely different game, though lessons you learn in one format can apply to the other. I was winning consistently at these cash games, but her losses were a wash against my winnings. We talked about it and decided she just needed to work on cash game skills. So we put $100 each on PokerStars and played $0.01/$0.02. We critiqued each other's games and discussed key plays in the session. I religiously track all of our results and I graphed the results of our sessions. After a slow start, things started to click and she was outperforming me at those tables. Since then we've started our home game and she has won nearly 4x's as much as I have at those games. So getting some experience at cash games is certainly valuable. Even though the $0.01/$0.02 tables online can be pretty tough since most of those players really play badly, it's not too difficult to beat those tables over the long haul. And that can give you the confidence in your game that you can take to the live tables.
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