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Old 02-11-2008, 04:47 PM
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Here's one from the home game last night, and I need advice. Fairly soft .25/.50 NL home game, with quite a bit of money flowing every direction. I bought in for $30, and when this hand started, I was roughly $160. My main opponent started this hand somewhere around $85-$90.

I'm dealt 7s 3s from the big blind, and we go 4 to the flop with a limp pot.
Flop comes out Ks Js 6s. The small blind leads in for $2. My thinking is that I have the baby flush which can be easily counterfeited, so I need to pop it. I raise to $7, and the player behind me immediately min raises to $14. It folds back to me, and my first feeling is that he likely has As Jsomething... I don't think he necessarily flopped the flush, but he has outs. I decided to play it a little odd, and just call the flop raise, with the intent of check raising the turn.
The turn is a blank, and I check. My opponent goes ahead with the same bet of $14 again, and I stick it for another $30 on top. This is where I got surprised... he called.
The river is a blank, and it's up to me. What do you think I should do on the river? Check/call? Value bet?
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Nearly $80 in the pot and $30 to call, not abnormal for someone with the nut draw to call there.

There is over $100 in the pot on the river and your opponent only has around $30 left, I'd put him all in. If he had you beat from the get go so be it... but if he does have you beat then you can be sure he's betting the river which you would call anyways. If he doesn't have the flush he is probably going to check behind you but if he has 2 pair (or even top pair) he may call your river bet paying you off.

Thats the way I see it anyways, if he has you beat you have already decided to pay him off... if you have him beat you have to give him the opportunity to pay you off.
  
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I am with fink on that one. When you raised him $30 and he didn't push all-in after that I don't put him on a flush. If I had to guess he had 2 pair or top pair with a good kicker.
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I think I would have to put him all in. He might have top pair or even trips, but his betting does'nt say he has the flush
  
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Thats the way I see it anyways, if he has you beat you have already decided to pay him off... if you have him beat you have to give him the opportunity to pay you off.
Well put... ultimately, I ended up just checking the river, as I had figured him for the Ace. I hoped that by checking, I could turn it into a bluff catcher, and if he was ahead, I just had to pay him. 4+ to 1 was just too good of a price. He ended up checking it as well, and showed 4s 5s for the smaller flush. And I agree, looking back at it now, I should have given him the opportunity to put the rest of his stack in. The thing that confused me was his call of the check raise. I expected it to be either a re-raise all in, or a fold. Just thought his soft call was a little weak.

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If he/she is a good player, they, as you know, would have slowed down at the sign of 3 suited cards on the flop if they didn't have a piece of it. You might could have put him on a flush at that point, or he had the ace like you said. If you did it over again, I would be very cautious at the flop raise since you had such a weak flush. Someone with the ace is not going to fold so why keep betting? And if they flopped a flush you should not be betting. I would have checked it down.

What an interesting hand though.

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Someone with the ace is not going to fold so why keep betting?
Why keep betting? How about because you are 70% to win? (85% once the turn hits). He sure as hell isn't paying you off once the river comes and you know he missed his draw. Why wouldn't you bet it?
  
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