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01-30-2008, 03:37 PM
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If he put you on tilt, and you won the tournament, I guess it was a good tilt! I wish someone would tilt me in that way! Also all the dealers for the tournament split the tips. This was one dealer early on. What about all the other dealers who did a good job and also got stiffed byt the winner? | | |
01-30-2008, 03:47 PM
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Fink...If I say nothing, then thinks I am just cheep...I want him to know that what he did was wrong and when I did that he knows why he didn't get a tip!
| The time to make yourself clear was when it happened the first time, not at the end. Maybe if you had it wouldn't have happened a 2nd time. I am a dealer and I know the kind of player who expects you to read their mind or every subtle, quirky way they have of playing. It is a lot to ask, so if you think the dealer is screwing up make a clear statement using eye contact so you know you have been heard. ex: When I check I knock the table like this. Secondly, all verbal commitments at a poker table are less likely to be misinterpreted. It's just a thought. If I was the dealer I would think you were just looking for an excuse not to tip me and would think you were cheap anyways. BTW, I asked in another thread...what Hard Rock do you play at? | | |
01-30-2008, 04:26 PM
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Wrong xtra...he was wrong on the first one, I argued with him and told that I announce "check" and knock the table and I did it right then...he said he took it for a check...so then why did he call a check when I was just flicking my cards the second time.
As far as rudeness...a dealer is an hourly employee just as a Wallmart employee...no worse no better...he does not set the rules for the game or the rules for the cardroom...he depends on the players for added income and does not get the added income when he phuckes the player...the dealer needs to respect the player more than the player respecting him...I never heard of a dealer tipping a player....HAVE YOU!
BY THE WAY THE TWO INCIDENTS WERE EARLY IN THE TOURNAMENT...I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE REMEMBERED!
Rudeness is OK when you get phucked by an hourly employee!...and don't kiss you afterwords!
| Wow, crapshoot. Something tells me he didn't forget. Just from the tone of that statement I can tell what the dealer had to go through with you. Just curious to know why you think a dealer needs to respect a player more than a player needs to respect a dealer. That kind of thinking is what can get you into this type of aggravation.
By the way, dealers like waiters, bartenders,etc are paid less than minimum wage. Most of their income comes from tips. I may not like the service I get sometimes from these people so I will tip less than normal, but tipping nothing because of a couple of poor circumstances is cold. If my waitress is pretty competent accept she kept forgetting to bring the 2nd glass of water I asked for, I'm not going to NOT tip her anything. | | |
01-30-2008, 07:20 PM
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Since were on the topic of tipping dealers, and have a few actual dealers responding to this thread. May I ask, how much the average dealer makes hourly, and what game and stake level would you prefer to deal. I have heard from other dealers that the 2$ $4 limit game brings in much better tips than when they were dealing say a 25$ 50$ nl game. Dealers have to be sharp and on the money at all times, so I do think they are performing a mentally draining task that is warranted tips. I usually play the 2$ 5$ nl game at the hard rock when there, and tip anywhere from 2 to 8 dollars when I drag a pot. I must say though, some of these dealers, well lets just say a lot are out of control. They are always carrying around there little box and its loaded with chips at the expense of the players, and you often times find them complaining that the the tips they are getting are not enough. "not enough", im guessing anywhere from 150 to 250$ a day maybe more, is what they are making at the expense of the players. So lets just hold the phone dealers, and think about what a lucky position you are in. Yes if the dealer makes a critical error in just 1 pot out of a 100, that could be yours, and it is uncalled for. Just like that 1 out of 100 trips out to eat, you find a roach sitting on top of your new york strip, that definitley calls for action as does the latter. I guess what I am trying to say is dealers you got it good very good. So dont whine when someone questions ur mistakes, and stop calling the floor on the very people that fill up that box day in and day out for the most egregous stupid little things. Think Mcfly Think!
Last edited by gimmemymoneyback; 01-30-2008 at 09:26 PM.
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01-30-2008, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CardLovinCat  BTW, I asked in another thread...what Hard Rock do you play at? | Sorry CLC for not answering before...we play at the Tampa Hard Rock...me, Cat and gimme....where do you deal?
I have nothing against dealers and are friendly to them...but watch out if you screw me. Dealers can make mistakes and I will overlook them...but dealers will also bring on the mistakes when they feel they are just card flickers, talk about things other than the game at hand and not control the table or play...those mistakes are then brought on by the dealers own fault...You are in control and have the floor to back you up and brushes to provide services, use them....players should not have to call for brushes and waitresses...the dealer should to earn their tip, because they are not earning it by the cards they deal...they have no control of that...provide services and control the game...that's how you earn tips...tips are not a gimme!
I am a good tipper...but don't expect a tip when you screw me....I already paid for the phuck!
We are getting away from the Hard Rock and playing the tracks more....the rake at the HR is too steep....24%...and then it really gets up when you add the tips to the 24%...it's a little high don't you think?...it might be OK for recreational play...but not to make money!
Let's say I'm in a 125 and take 3rd...I get $190, tip $20...so I made $45 for my risk of $125...not too brilliant!...and then you all want to chastise me for being rude and not tipping the dealer...when they make mistakes that cost me money!!...get real!...the dealer made a lot more than I did...with no risk!...earn your tip!
When I was in business...I had to pay out of pocket money for 6 month's or longer to come up with a product that is acceptable to my customer and then hope that he buys it...for a win. Service people and lawyers want the money upfront whether they come up with a product or not (sort of speak)...I had to win...why shouldn't they have to win?...they want it win or lose!
In the mid and late 70's I use to make $30,000 - $35,000 per month which is more like $100,000 today...my gross profit on my main items were a fraction of a penny, my big ticket items were 5 cents gross profit...you had to earn it to make it...there were no gimme's and no hourly pay to fall back on...to buy coffee at least!
Last edited by CRAPSHOOT; 01-31-2008 at 03:54 AM.
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01-31-2008, 03:59 AM
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The way I see it, it's your choice to tip or not to tip. But remember dealers are people to! Depending on the limit playing I will tip them when I have had a game. If I double my stake it usaully a ten or twenty spot tip.
No sence to be rude to any one it. We all got to live.  | | |
02-01-2008, 03:28 AM
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I want to be a dealer that sounds cool. Some ppl play poker and as a dealer you always win | | |
02-02-2008, 03:46 PM
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The majority of dealers that i have played with are just fine, i didnt mean to come off as if i meant that i hate all dealers and i guess i did come off that way and i apologize for that, its a very small percentage of dealer s that i was talking about, less than 1%, I like the other 99% of dealers, so can we just get rid of that 1% that give the rest of u great dealers a bad name, then we would be just fine. Quit flicking those cards so fast at my fingers u almost cut me. | | |
02-02-2008, 03:48 PM
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I was just kidding around with crapshoot when i said quit spreading thos e lies about taking me down in a big game. I have known crapshoot for about a yr. and have never seen him lie about a thing, he is a very honest man from what ive seen of him. Ecxept at the poker table, this man cannot be trusted at a poker table. Lolololololo hahahahahahahahahahaahahahah
Last edited by cat5cane; 02-02-2008 at 03:50 PM.
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02-02-2008, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CRAPSHOOT Sorry CLC for not answering before...we play at the Tampa Hard Rock...me, Cat and gimme....where do you deal?
I have nothing against dealers and are friendly to them...but watch out if you screw me. Dealers can make mistakes and I will overlook them...but dealers will also bring on the mistakes when they feel they are just card flickers, talk about things other than the game at hand and not control the table or play...those mistakes are then brought on by the dealers own fault...You are in control and have the floor to back you up and brushes to provide services, use them....players should not have to call for brushes and waitresses...the dealer should to earn their tip, because they are not earning it by the cards they deal...they have no control of that...provide services and control the game...that's how you earn tips...tips are not a gimme!
I am a good tipper...but don't expect a tip when you screw me....I already paid for the phuck!
We are getting away from the Hard Rock and playing the tracks more....the rake at the HR is too steep....24%...and then it really gets up when you add the tips to the 24%...it's a little high don't you think?...it might be OK for recreational play...but not to make money!
Let's say I'm in a 125 and take 3rd...I get $190, tip $20...so I made $45 for my risk of $125...not too brilliant!...and then you all want to chastise me for being rude and not tipping the dealer...when they make mistakes that cost me money!!...get real!...the dealer made a lot more than I did...with no risk!...earn your tip! | Well I couldn't agree with you more. It is extremely aggravating to put my money in a casino where the dealer feels like their personal stories are more important than the hand I have a stake in. I will wrap the the table and with a smile on my face say "hey, hey, too much information...let's play cards". If they continue after that I take a break and talk to a floor manager. I have seen more than my fair share of bad dealers (being a dealer I recognize more things than the average player). I am known to be a very generous tipper and well liked in most places for that very reason. That said, I am only a recreational player. It is my preferred form of entertainment like going to dinner or a movie. For professional players it is their living and tipping is kept to a minimum because as you pointed out you are risking a lot to end up with so little sometimes. I can tell you that professional players are the least favored amongst dealers for that reason. Joe Blow visiting from the north to blow some vcation money at the famed Hard Rock is going to tip most generously. We know that, but it is the regular players in the off season that keep us afloat.
In answer to your question I deal for a bar poker league called All-In-Free presently. I did work at the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Fl until last July. I enjoy it so much I have put off auditioning at The Isles in Pompano Beach (paramutual) for now. I agree that players should not have to ask for brushes or waiters, but neither should the dealers. We need to move the games along, always keeping an eye on our bank and distractions can be costly to both the dealer and the players. The Hard Rock needs to be more efficient in there casino management. I quit because the noise level (very distracting), multiple hats that have to be worn (brushing, dealing and flooring), and the "too many chiefs and no Indians" mentality was more than I could stand. The employees who are both floor and dealer or brush and dealer pose a conflict of interest in my opinion. At the Seminole casinos (Hard Rocks included) in S Florida that is enforced by their policies. An employee has no choice in the matter. It is more like a circus than a poker room. I agree that the paramutuals are a better poker room in general. I actually love Dania Jai-Alai. It has a lot of room, quiet, well lit and well run. I wish they needed dealers because I would be there in a flash. | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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