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Old 12-25-2005, 11:53 PM
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The problem there fink is that at that point, any of my outs that I was counting would give me the nuts. Any J would give me the nut straight and any diamond would give me the nut flush. 12 outs to the nuts. Of course he has a chance of improving to a boat, but that doesnt really factor into the odds of me beating him unless he does catch it. On the flop it was about 50/50 not matter what they were holding.
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On the flop it was about 50/50 not matter what they were holding.
No, it is 50/50 that you will hit YOUR hand. Please factor in that he has almost as good a chance of hitting a card that will kill you to one card (Jd).

You have 11 outs on the turn and 10 on the river if he is holding AA (keep in mind you HAVE to hit)

He has 7 outs on the turn and 10 on the river (and he ONLY has to hit if you do)
  
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Even if you KNOW that both players are going to be in the pot you aren't getting terribly good odds unless they both in fact do have AK:

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Wow, i didnt realize the odds went down so much if one of them had trips. So maybe the odds werent as good as I thought. The problem is when I see a Royal Flush Draw I go nuts. Its the only hand I have trouble laying down.
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Well, even if your odds are 35% that means that calling a 3-1 bet is still going to be profitable. So, the question you need to ask yourself here is "Am I going to get the odds?" And if youput BOTH guys on trips or even AK, then yeah, you are going to get the action you need (And you DO Need both of them to make this profitable. Heads up, the proper move is to fold).

Asking yourself what you have invested in the pot is the WRONG question in a cash game. You are IN the pot. The only way you win pots is to GET MONEY IN. The question needs to be, "Am I getting enough money out of this pot when I win to make it profitable?"

OK, 36% to win the pot. Over 50 hands you can expect to win 18 times (and this is WORST case scenario at this point. Chances are you are more than 36%)

lets say you have to call 80$ to win a $250 pot

18x250 = $4500
32x (-)80 = (-)$2560

that is an ev of almost + 2000

So, lets say you are calling an $80 into a $200 pot

18 x 200 = 3600
32 x (-)80 = (-)2560

Still a +ev of almost $1000

So really you dont even need the 3/1 odds here. Calling with a little less than that will still be profitable. So, if your bankroll can afford a call here it is the proper play. If you fold this situation, over 50 hands you will GUARANTEED to be -$150. If your bankroll cannot afford to call a move this profitable, then you should move down in limits.

Just for fun, lets do the numbers of calling $80 to win $200 in the situation you WERE in. 46% to win. Over 50 hands you can expect to win 23 times.

23 X 200 = 4600
27 x (-)80 = (-)1950

That is +almost $2700 ev.

Calling is the right play.

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