I dont know what to say.

okerStars Game #2876973620: Tournament #13822865, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/10/23 - 20:38:58 (ET)
Table '13822865 197' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: jackitup330 (925 in chips)
Seat 2: Lethal411 (1075 in chips)
Seat 3: clabbers (2820 in chips)
Seat 4: DuffManOhYea (2670 in chips)
Seat 5: pockts101 (1543 in chips)
Seat 6: kingjackoff (2285 in chips)
Seat 7: Braunyrez (1510 in chips)
Seat 8: spider1 (3864 in chips)
Seat 9: rounder81 (9263 in chips)
kingjackoff: posts small blind 50
Braunyrez: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Braunyrez [Qh Qs]
spider1: folds
rounder81: calls 100
jackitup330: raises 825 to 925 and is all-in
Lethal411: folds
clabbers: folds
DuffManOhYea: raises 1745 to 2670 and is all-in
pockts101: folds
kingjackoff: folds
Braunyrez: calls 1410 and is all-in
rounder81: calls 2570
*** FLOP *** [7c 7d 8d]
*** TURN *** [7c 7d 8d] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [7c 7d 8d 4s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rounder81: shows [8c 6c] (a straight, Four to Eight)
DuffManOhYea: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Sevens)
rounder81 collected 2320 from side pot-2
Braunyrez: shows [Qh Qs] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
rounder81 collected 1755 from side pot-1
jackitup330: shows [Ah Ks] (a pair of Sevens)
rounder81 said, "lol"
rounder81 collected 3750 from main pot
cupak is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7825 Main pot 3750. Side pot-1 1755. Side pot-2 2320. | Rake 0
Board [7c 7d 8d 4s 5s]
Seat 1: jackitup330 showed [Ah Ks] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 2: Lethal411 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: clabbers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DuffManOhYea showed [Qd Ad] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: pockts101 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kingjackoff (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Braunyrez (big blind) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sevens
Seat 8: spider1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rounder81 showed [8c 6c] and won (7825) with a straight, Four to Eight


Mabey I shouldnt have been in this hand but rounder definatly shouldnt have been. Ive had one good win this week, the rest of the time it has been just like this.

That's rough and it was a horrible play by Rounder, but in a 4-handed all-in pot, QQ isn't that great. I think if Rounder called the all-in before you, you should definitely fold. But still, all-in with two others and just QQ isn't a great idea. You have to expect that one person at least has one ace, and someone will probably have a king. QQ is a very tough hand to lay down preflop, but maybe this was the right time to lay it down. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your play. I would have almost always done the exact same as you, but in hindsight, it might not have been the best choice to call.

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If you call a pot with 2 people already in it then even with aces you cannot expect to win. That doesn't mean that you shouldnt call however. I would need to know buy in level, your reads on the other players etc.

In terms of what people actually had it would seem that you made the right call but you have got to realise that you are probably only about 33-42% likely to win here. In a 4 way pot thats great but you are obviously going to lose a lot in these circumstances. As far as I am considered calling is probably ok but you have to accept if you are going to call that you will probably lose the hand. And if you dont want things to come down to luck folding is legitimate here and i would have done so myself 90% of the time. Against solid opposition you will be up against at least 1 ace and 1 king much of the time and could even be dominated by AA or KK. You are unlikely to be higher than 45% to win the hand and will fairly often find yourself against a higher pp and be a huge dog (20% at best)

As for the guy who won it - he might have reckoned that a lot of the high cards were already used up and he would have 25% or so chance to win the hand - if he is a gambler first and a poker player 2nd (i.e. he welcomes risks rather than trying to avoid them) then his play isn't all that terrible. He had the chips to do it and whilst i would never make such a play it isnt really all that bad.

But I have one key question for you - would you have felt the same if a king or an ace came on the board? As far as you should be conserned it really doesn't matter whether who bet you or with what. These are not relevant factors. The other players skill is irrelevant once the cards are turned over.

Hopefully your luck will improve but you shouldn't really view losing this hand as bad luck (it isnt good luck obviously)

Both of your posts actually make me feel better. What I was upset about the most was the fact that I would have been sitting pretty had it not been for rounder and that river card. Oh well thanks for the input.