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Old 09-19-2005, 09:20 PM
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PokerStars Game #2613355435: Tournament #12762714, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/09/19 - 15:49:22 (ET)
Table '12762714 2' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: RottenRonny (3505 in chips)
Seat 2: BSQUAD2001 (10800 in chips)
Seat 3: pagerguy (26070 in chips)
Seat 6: ljw51 (9830 in chips)
Seat 7: Moleebo (10340 in chips)
Seat 9: Sniper240 (6955 in chips)
RottenRonny: posts the ante 50
BSQUAD2001: posts the ante 50
pagerguy: posts the ante 50
ljw51: posts the ante 50
Moleebo: posts the ante 50
Sniper240: posts the ante 50
ljw51: posts small blind 400
Moleebo: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BSQUAD2001 [Ks Kd]
Sniper240: folds
RottenRonny: raises 800 to 1600
BSQUAD2001: raises 1600 to 3200
pagerguy: folds
ljw51: calls 2800
Moleebo: folds
RottenRonny: raises 255 to 3455 and is all-in

Heres my dilemna. At this point the RottenRonny (short stack) pushes his remaining $255 in the pot and now its back to me. Now ljw51 is still to act after me and he still has about $6300 in chips after he called my raise of $3600. I wanted to re-raise instead of just calling the $255 raise but I only had 2 options (Fold) or (Call $255). Why would it not let me raise?

BSQUAD2001: calls 255 (I wanted to raise here but it wouldnt let me)
ljw51: calls 255
*** FLOP *** [2d 2h Ts]
ljw51: bets 800
BSQUAD2001: raises 6495 to 7295 and is all-in
ljw51: calls 5525 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [2d 2h Ts] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [2d 2h Ts 2s] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ljw51: shows [Qd Qh] (a full house, Deuces full of Queens)
BSQUAD2001: shows [Ks Kd] (a full house, Deuces full of Kings)
BSQUAD2001 collected 12650 from side pot
RottenRonny: shows [Jc As] (three of a kind, Deuces)
BSQUAD2001 collected 11465 from main pot
Sniper240 said, "damn"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24115 Main pot 11465. Side pot 12650. | Rake 0
Board [2d 2h Ts 2s 7s]
Seat 1: RottenRonny showed [Jc As] and lost with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 2: BSQUAD2001 showed [Ks Kd] and won (24115) with a full house, Deuces full of Kings
Seat 3: pagerguy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ljw51 (small blind) showed [Qd Qh] and lost with a full house, Deuces full of Queens
Seat 7: Moleebo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Sniper240 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  
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If someone already in a hand is unable to match the original raise, but goes all-in, all future betting for the round is ended.
  
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If someone already in a hand is unable to match the original raise, but goes all-in, all future betting for the round is ended.

But he was able to match the raise. In fact he re-raised. I just think I should have had the opportunity to re-raise because there was still another player in the pot with more money.
  
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No the hand was played out correctly. The previous raise was 1600 more (from 1600 to 3200) which means the minimum reraise is 1600. Ronny did not have another 1600 to make it a true reraise thus the raises are capped unless someone yet to act on YOUR raise had enough and decided to make it 4800 or more.
  
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The same thing happenen to CalifNaughti during the THF League tourny yesterday except she had pocket aces. She wanted to go all in against a short stack who put in his last eighty chips and thats all she could call. She ended up winning the hand but felt she might have been able to win a bigger pot if she was able to go all-in. I thought there was a glitch in the software or something.
  
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I've seen this happen, and it has always annoyed me. Up until now, I never knew why. This happened to me at a LIMIT ring table (I don't have the hand history, so I will do my best to recollect and explain). 3 players to the river. Player 1 bet, player 2 called, I raised to a two-bet. Player 1 went all-in for about half the big bet, so not matching the highest bet total. Player 2 called. I wanted to raise, but couldn't, so I just called. I know this follows the same type of play BSQUAD explained, but I was just mentioning it. It really annoyed me because I had KK, and had kings over something (not aces) full house, basically the nuts with the exception of the possible quads.
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No, it is correct and is the way it SHOULD be played. Imagine you are on a NL ring game and there are three players in the hand. You have $300, player B has $30 and player C has $300. You are sitting on JJ and raise it to $10, player B calls, player C makes it $25... you call (feeling iffy now) and player B now moves all in for his $30 ($5 raise). No way should you have to face another reraise from player C just because player B threw in his last $5 on top of the reraise...
  
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That is a good and valid point Fink. I never really thought about it that way. I guess I have always thought of this on the offensive side of things instead of semi-defensively.
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OK. now I know. Thanks for the scenario fink.
  
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