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Should I Have Called Hand Histories
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09-16-2005, 03:55 AM
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Should I have made this call? The raise made the pot size about 750 and it would cost me 300 to call. The pot odds say no, but is this where implied odds should be used?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed)
UTG (t270)
UTG+1 (t947)
MP1 (t1405)
MP2 (t5649)
MP3 (t4880)
CO (t2969)
Hero (t4070)
SB (t3605)
BB (t1135) Preflop: Hero is Button with  ,  .
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t60, MP3 calls t60, CO calls t60, Hero calls t60, 2 folds, UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30. Flop: (t405)  ,  ,  (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets t90, MP3 raises to t300, CO folds, Hero folds, UTG calls t210 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t210. Turn: (t1215)  (3 players, 1 all-in) MP2 bets t210, MP3 raises to t4520, MP2 folds. River: (t5945)  (2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: t5945
Results in white below:
UTG has   (two pair, kings and sevens).
MP3 has   (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t5945. | | |
09-16-2005, 04:14 AM
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i think you were right to fold
you werent committed and although you had 8 outs and a backdoor flush, it was too high a raise to call even considering implied odds. It could have been a bluff and the guy might have folded anyways
you have to think about what you would do if you were in the same position again. At the flop could you have assumed that both of these players (sorry nutters!) would raise 4500+ and go all in. That was a crazy move by both these guys...anybody with a jack would have busted them...not to mention the small possiblity of trips.
you did the right thing  | | |
09-16-2005, 04:16 AM
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I'd fold. I hate chasing straight draws. You have only invested 60 chips into the pot to see 3 cards. To spend 300 chips just to see one more wouldn't be a great move. I would have called that 90 chip bet, but not the raise. True, you do have two over cards, but these might not even be active cards, as your kicker could be beat if you hit either pair, plus there would be more cards to a possible straight on the board if you hit a pair. These things happen. We fold hands that would have been monsters had be just stuck with them, but that's poker.
Last edited by kikolo; 09-16-2005 at 04:18 AM.
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09-16-2005, 04:54 AM
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tough call  but thts the rite1   , is good to know the oddz
and if you wasn't commited to the pot u didn't want to be caught up chasing, thts knowing when to fold.same with me i dont mine paying to see the flop depending wear i'm at in chips and in the game but the worst is to get caught chasing and not catch it, it can be very expensive
good call | | |
09-17-2005, 01:44 AM
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Don't you hate when that last river card appears and you know you would have had it? Forgetaboutit!! People need to learn to play with their current stacks and continue to be on top of their game, not remembering what could have or should have happened, right?
In the hand you just described, you were right to fold. Open ended straight draws are always fun to play...but....you were only committed 60 chips and calling would be 5X what you already had in. You made the right decision to fold. The person who made the raise accomplished exactly what he had set out to do, which was to knowout the chasers. In that sense, your opponent made a good raise and you did make a good fold.
Dont live on what could have been, focus on what is coming up next.
Best of luck to you. Yappy | | |
09-17-2005, 02:47 PM
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Well, I think the right move depended on what you thought you were up against......Is the player who raised 300$ tight or loose.....If he was a loose player, you had to put him on top pair at best and then that would give you 14 outs ( 8 for the OE str8 draw, 3 j's and 3 q's)....if that was the case I think it would be correct to call or even jam if you think he will lay it down, but I think jamming would be a bit too aggressive for this situation but If you think you truly have 14 outs then you are actually the favorite in the hand. But all in all, I think folding was correct because you still had several players left behind you to act.
Every play depends on the players you are up against, you cant assume everyone has a made monster because they bet. They very easily could have been betting 300 with AT or KT ( which is what they actually had as it turns out)
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