Weak Play By Me?

08-29-2005, 01:21 PM

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Weak Play By Me?

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MP2 is a loose aggressive sort. 33% VPIP with an PFR of 18% and a Post Flop AF of 6.67 but this is based on only about 65 hands.

Preflop: Hero is BB with

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2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

I'm never sure if I should reraise a raiser when I have AK. Does it make a difference if my big slick is suited? Opinions please.

Flop: (6.50 SB)

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Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

I check raise for 2 reasons here. First I want him to think I might have the fourth deuce, but I don't really think he'll buy it, but also to find out am I up against AA or KK. His reraise tells me I may be. Am I reading this wrong.

Turn: (6.25 BB)

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Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

I hit my full house and i bet into this raiser. When he raises me I am definitely thinking AA or KK is a distinct possibility, but I figure I have to call it down. Opinions?

River: (10.25 BB)

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below:
MP2 has 9c 9d (full house, twos full of nines).
Hero has Ah Ks (full house, twos full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.25 BB.

08-29-2005, 02:48 PM

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When 3 of a card come on the flop like that I've seen any pocket pair bet hard and any Ace betting hard as well. I really hate getting involved in these kinds of hands because I've seen someone with the quads more often then not. So the first thing I'm worried about is did someone hit the four of a kind. Then I'm worried about someone having a bigger full house then me. If I don't have a full house then I'm out of the hand as soon as I can get out. In your case here there weren't many cards that could beat you in this case so I think you had to figure you had the best hand.

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08-29-2005, 02:55 PM

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In your case here there weren't many cards that could beat you in this case so I think you had to figure you had the best hand.

So in your analysis are you saying i should have 3 bet the turn?

08-29-2005, 03:14 PM

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The only way you were losing this hand was if he had a duece or AA or KK. 65 hands isn't enough to really know how he plays, but even with that short sampling you've seen an aggressive tendency. I think I would have played it the same as you except I might have led out with a bet on the river instead of checking. When faced with a player who plays aggressively it's not unusual for me to see them betting strongly with Ace rag with this type of board. You basically have 4th nuts to the board, so I'd be cautious about risking too much on this hand. What I want to do in this situation is represent a strong hand, which is what I have, but avoid getting into a raising war. I think if you had bet out on the river he might have just called instead of raising again.

If this is limit, then it's a bit difference. Your just calling on the turn, and checking on the river might indicate to him that his 9's are probably good. Reraising on the turn might have shaken him off the hand or might have made him back off a bit which would give you a better idea of what you were up against.

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since you called his original raise and assuming he respected you as a player, the only hand he could put you on to have a deuce is A2. He probably figured you were bluffing at this point

i never worry about pocket rockets in a hand like this (or most hands) - if your against the rockets youll just have to pay him off but if you start worrying about them then

youll probably fold a lot of hands you should still be involved with

i agree that you should have reraised at the turn....it was unlikely that he had a 2 in my opinion

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If this is limit, then it's a bit difference. Your just calling on the turn, and checking on the river might indicate to him that his 9's are probably good. Reraising on the turn might have shaken him off the hand or might have made him back off a bit which would give you a better idea of what you were up against.

Yes, this was a limit ring game. Thanks for the input guys. The more input i recieve, the better a player I become.

08-29-2005, 11:38 PM

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I'm never sure if I should reraise a raiser when I have AK. Does it make a difference if my big slick is suited? Opinions please.[/color]

I like that call there. I have always been hesitant to raise with AK (especially offsuited) in limit games since so many people call a preflop raise like its nothing, and sometimes just one raise is nothing.

The only real mistake you made was on the flop. Don't check raise that. I know it was a semi-bluff, but in limit, those never really work. He's not going to put you on a duece. Since you said he was loose aggressive, it makes TOTAL sense that he would raise preflop with ANY pocket pair, whether its aces or dueces. Check the flop, see his bet and then just call it.

On the turn, you hit your king and you have to assume that you have the best hand, or AT LEAST, a split pot. I like leading out with a bet there. With his raise, either a 3-bet or a call would be a decent play. That could really go either way. There were only two possible hands that could beat you, AA or 2x, so probably he doesn't have it, though not definitely. Since you just called the turn raise, the check/call makes sense.

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Originally Posted by fonzerelli_79

i never worry about pocket rockets in a hand like this (or most hands) - if your against the rockets youll just have to pay him off but if you start worrying about them then youll probably fold a lot of hands you should still be involved with

Fonz is right. You shouldn't worry about AA all the time, since it is fairly rare that he will have it. If he does, tough luck, but you can't always put a player on AA.

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