Unflipping believable

Post flop I made the right read here. And was threading because i was sure she had a smaller pocket pr or a draw. Maybe I should have made a larger preflop bet, I don't know, it was too early.

PokerStars Game #2423841593: Tournament #11526342, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/08/25 - 23:04:20 (ET) Table '11526342 142' Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: ramdine (2595 in chips)
Seat 2: tribeboy (880 in chips)
Seat 3: alli2132 (1420 in chips)
Seat 4: jrcbk (2543 in chips)
Seat 5: barscribe (2085 in chips)
Seat 6: Mandraike (1720 in chips)
Seat 7: webbie (3480 in chips)
Seat 8: greg_e (3170 in chips)
Seat 9: wrenja (1275 in chips)
greg_e: posts small blind 25
wrenja: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to alli2132 [Js Jh]
ramdine: folds
tribeboy: folds
alli2132: raises 50 to 100
jrcbk: calls 100
barscribe: folds
Mandraike: folds
webbie: raises 300 to 400
greg_e: folds
wrenja: folds
alli2132: calls 300
jrcbk: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah Ac 3h]
alli2132: bets 200
webbie: calls 200
*** TURN *** [Ah Ac 3h] [3s]
alli2132: bets 250
webbie: calls 250
*** RIVER *** [Ah Ac 3h 3s] [4s]
alli2132: bets 300
webbie: raises 300 to 600
alli2132: calls 270 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
webbie: shows [4d 4c] (a full house, Fours full of Aces)
alli2132: shows [Js Jh] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
webbie collected 3015 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3015 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Ac 3h 3s 4s]
Seat 1: ramdine folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tribeboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: alli2132 showed [Js Jh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks Seat 4: jrcbk folded before Flop Seat 5: barscribe folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Mandraike folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: webbie (button) showed [4d 4c] and won (3015) with a full house, Fours full of Aces Seat 8: greg_e (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: wrenja (big blind) folded before Flop


Obviously I was pot committed and had to see it through, although in the back of my mind, with her final bet, i knew she had either been leading too or caught the 4s i had her on in the beginning.

Thats a tought one. Its scary to bet much on the flop with the aces, but if you were really sure he didnt have on I might have bet more either on the flop or the turn. But that may not have shaken him off anyway. He played that hand horribly and got paid of for it. POKER IS UNFAIR.

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You didn't really make any mistakes here. Preflop, I would have raised to 150 (just 50 more) because a 1xBB more raise seems VERY weak. That's probably why webbie reraised you. I do like that call preflop though. A lot of times people will go all-in with JJ in that sort of situation with that reraise, and then at best, they are faced with a coin flip situation, a lot of times I see them against higher pocket pairs like what happened to me in my $5 rebuy tonight:

PokerStars Game #2422275621: Tournament #11526325, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/08/25 - 20:10:54 (ET)
Table '11526325 106' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: dsmoke (20693 in chips)
Seat 2: Scootie (18916 in chips)
Seat 3: cky12 (4044 in chips)
Seat 4: BPV3 (5422 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: nykosuave (13805 in chips)
Seat 6: valeiopoker (24788 in chips)
Seat 7: the furrier (8402 in chips)
Seat 8: maq2000 (6646 in chips)
Seat 9: dcrox (8996 in chips)
dsmoke: posts the ante 25
Scootie: posts the ante 25
cky12: posts the ante 25
BPV3: posts the ante 25
nykosuave: posts the ante 25
valeiopoker: posts the ante 25
the furrier: posts the ante 25
maq2000: posts the ante 25
dcrox: posts the ante 25
dsmoke: posts small blind 100
Scootie: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cky12 [Jc Jd]
cky12: raises 1400 to 1600
BPV3: folds
nykosuave: folds
valeiopoker: folds
the furrier: folds
maq2000: folds
dcrox: folds
dsmoke: raises 17200 to 18800
Scootie: folds
cky12: calls 2419 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8c Td Jh]
*** TURN *** [8c Td Jh] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [8c Td Jh Th] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dsmoke: shows [Kd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
cky12: shows [Jc Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
cky12 collected 8463 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8463 | Rake 0
Board [8c Td Jh Th 6d]
Seat 1: dsmoke (small blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 2: Scootie (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: cky12 showed [Jc Jd] and won (8463) with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
Seat 4: BPV3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: nykosuave folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: valeiopoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: the furrier folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: maq2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dcrox (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Yeah, I got very lucky. By the way, I ended up finishing in 51st place. But getting back to your hand, I like the preflop call. On the flop with two aces, you have to assume you have the best hand, BUT, I would check there since you are first to act. Then, depending on his bet, I would probably go all-in. But truly, there is nothing wrong with your play. A 200 chip bet is pretty nice. It can seem substantial, but it really is a feeler bet to see what your opponent has. Since he just called, you now have to figure he either has you killed with an ace, or he has pretty much nothing. I would assume he does not have the ace, so on the turn, I would put out a very big bet. You have roughly 800 chips left on the turn, so an all-in would be a good bet. If not, 500 or higher would be nice. Again, on the river you probably should have gone all-in, but you definitely have to call that raise. It's just a tough loss there. To be honest, I can see webbie playing 44 there. Now his reraise was not too smart, but I guess he put you on two face cards without an ace, not a pocket pair, and since there was only one card higher than his 4s, and there were two of those, he might figure his 4s to be best. It wasn't that smart of a play on his part, but I have seen worse.

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Yeah I can see him playing 44 with the small preflop raise, but to play it to the river with the bets is just ridiculous.

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BTW.......I HATE JJ

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Yeah, and don't get me wrong. I think that was a very bad play on his part, BUT unlike many of the bad beat stories where the other players had no right to be in the hand, I can see someone playing like that. Again, it's a poor play, but not super ridiculous (aside from the preflop reraise which was horrible).

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I agree with you Kik, although the post flop bet is the one i think I should have led harder. My only hesitation, and reason for my play here, is that it was VERY early, and the tendency to find " fancy players" check raising or slow playing god-only-knows-what, is too great. Bet post flop was a feeler, no reraise told me he was fishing. Heck even if he had pocket Ks or Qs i think he would have reraised hard. Although I also think many newbs should have been afraid of the Aces (as I used to be) - which is why I think I should have bet post flop harder ( partial bluff). But honestly, I play so tight generally, I think it's hurting my pots when I do catch, so I was hoping to milk this a little and it came back to bite me in the arse.


Btw: you played your hand perfectly, got caught with a fluke higher pocket and you got luckier in the end

Thanks. I over-bet the jacks preflop with the 7xBB raise because I was pretty short stacked, and really didn't want someone calling with a drawing hand that could really hurt me if hit on the flop. And yes, I got very lucky.

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