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07-21-2005, 02:59 AM
| | | |  Good Play or NEVER DO THAT AGAIN!!!
Got the idea to do this occasionally from Phil Helmuth's book Play Poker Like The Pros, but all in all is this move +EV or something I should avoid.
PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with  ,  . 5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls. Flop: (4.50 SB)  ,  ,  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls. Turn: (3.25 BB)  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls. River: (11.25 BB)  (2 players) BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls. Final Pot: 15.25 BB
Results in white below:
BB has Ah As (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ts 9s (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins 15.25 BB.
Last edited by StarlightCoast; 07-21-2005 at 03:01 AM.
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07-21-2005, 03:15 AM
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Don't raise with that preflop. I really don't like when people raise with suited connectors. I think it is a bad idea because those, more than any other hand, are drawing hands, and I don't like people betting their draws. On the flop with how you played preflop, you did well. You should keep up that betting on the flop since you raised preflop. A lot of times if there is one person who calls your preflop raise, there is a good chance he will fold to a bet on the flop because he pretty much has to have hit the flop in order to feel good about calling.
Again, I would sugest not raising preflop with suited connectors, except in certain situations like you are in the SB and folded to you, then raise the BB. That might be fine. Also, if your the button and folded to you and you know the blinds have been playing tight, it might be smart to raise and try to steal the blinds. I know you said that Phil Hellmuth talked about this, but I remember you told me about this earlier and you said it was in his advanced section for the good players, I guess. | | |
07-21-2005, 03:23 AM
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The only reason I even tried it was I was in the cutoff and everyone folded to me so i was first in. Since cutoff is a steal position I was trying for a blind steal. | | |
07-21-2005, 04:00 PM
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I dont see any problem with the way you played this hand. A suited connector in late position is a good hand to try and steal blinds with, cause if you get called you still have a decent chance of hitting something. Then the post flop bet is good because unless he had a monster starting hand or hit the J on the flop he should probably fold. So its worth the shot at taking down the pot.
The only thing I can see wrong with this hand is the way the other guy played it. Only calling your preflop raise instead of reraising, are you kidding? Then on the flop with a good posibility that your on a draw, he just calls. Cmon. Then on the turn when theres three to the straight on the board hes gonna start raising and reraising? Then on the river with two ways to a straight hes gonna come out and bet again and get raised.
I dont think the factor here is that you played this hand extremely well, I think he played it like crap. He was completely backwards, he should have been more aggresive preflop and flop, and probably slowed down after the turn. I dont know if he was trying to slowplay or what, but to get aggresive after theres a good chance someone hit a better hand is just not the right play. | | |
07-21-2005, 09:40 PM
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I have to agree that raising with suited connectors really isn't the wisest choice you can make unless you are sure your steal attempt would be successful. It wasn't. So you are no stuck with a pair a draw and a mediorce kicker.
Of course his play was terrible preflop. And, on the flop he just calls. He must have thought you had AJ of something and he had you. Again a bad play by him. A straight draw and a flush draw and he doesn't do anything to get you out of the pot. Wow, that is just awful. I am gonna at least try to pick up information.
On the turn he chooses to raise when so many hand could have beat him. By, then he is just throwing his money away.
And then to top it off he he bets out on the river. Maybe he thought your were chasing a flush draw and missed.
Man he was just asking to get stomped on by playing the hand the way he did.
So, other than the raise preflo, you pretty much had him served up on a plate.
If this guy wasn't a fish he should be ashamed of himself.
I certainly would have come over the top of you preflop. I don't like slow playing AA that much. Although, if I thought I had a good read on you I might since it was only the 2 of us. On the flop I am raising to get you out with your draw. Being limit you might still stay in with the draw. But, I am not about to give you a free card there.
On the turn if you are still around I really have to back off because now I have to wonder if you have me beat. | | |
07-22-2005, 07:08 AM
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Well... I don't mind raising with suited connectors because it mixes your game up a bit, makes you less predictable, and if you hit, you can make a good cashing... But in the long run it will make your oppents harder to put you on something!
But on the other hand if you miss, you will be losing a bit more... | | |
07-22-2005, 07:09 AM
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Oh sorry about this post... I like how it says the word OCCASIONALLY, that means mixing up your game, the way poker should be played  | | |
07-22-2005, 07:44 PM
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MZZ,
Yeah, I guess if anyone got the impression that you should never raise with suited connectors I was being to narrow in my statement.
Mixing up your game so as not to be predictable is a key element in in poker.
How often you mix things up is part of your make up as a player.
Being conservative I don't tend to mix it up as much as some of the other players out there.
But, I still do. Even the most solid rock will play hands out of position and make raises when a check or call is on order. If they don't they will unlikely get play from the others on the board. | | |
07-22-2005, 08:30 PM
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With less people in the hand, your pot odds go down for that drawing hand. It isnt a bad play for a steal, but it is a little risky.
The bet on the flop is justified because him being the BB, you don't know what he has. It will give you somewhat of a read if he calls (depending on how he has been playing), and if he folds you successfully stole the blinds.
By the turn you made the hand. Outcome successful, though things could have took a bad turn depending on how he was playing. Overall it just boils down to are you going to risk chips on a possible 1:1 ratio with suited connector? (this is what you are thinking preflop.)
That answer would seem like a no. But if you know the styles of the people left in the hand and how they precieve your play (do they think you are tight or loose) then you can make that play and benefit on more hands than lose. That is the overall goal. though you have to be able to read.
Suited connectors in fixed limit are hands used for situations with many people in the hand mind you. Using them in a different way is no walk in the park, you have to know why you are doing it and back it up with a solid understanding of what exactly you are trying to do (in this case steal blinds), and how you are going to go about doing it. You have to practise doing that play a lot to eventually benefit from it. Thats why they say it cost money to make money in poker. You will spend money perfecting plays like this before you make money off it. | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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