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Old 07-18-2005, 12:07 AM
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I sat down at UB at the $1/$2 tables and had a very bad start. - 11 big bets or so in about 20 short hands. As I played I decided to see why I was down that much that quick. A few hands for you to critique. All comments welcome.


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Preflop: Hero is SB with , :td.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) , , (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Should I have folded right here?

River: (6.50 BB) (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 9h Td (two pair, nines and sixes).
UTG has Ac 9d (two pair, nines and sixes).
MP1 has 9s Ad (two pair, nines and sixes).
Outcome: UTG wins 4.75 BB. MP1 wins 4.75 BB.





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Preflop: Hero is Button with :tc, :ad.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) , :qs, (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 folds.

All check to me, I bet. Is this wrong?

Turn: (2.75 BB) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Should i have checked the turn or do I bet as I did to keep up the appearence of strength?

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. BB wins 5.75 BB.





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Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 6 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Did not have enuf callers to call this. Sometimes I see a suited connector and reason goes out the window. UTG and I call. What am I thinking?

Flop: (6.50 SB) , , (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) :qc (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Where were the mistakes made?

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 8d 9d (two pair, nines and twos).
UTG+1 has Qh Qs (full house, queens full of twos).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 8.25 BB.





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I felt I had the pot odds to call this preflop and I definitely had the pot odds to call this postflop.

Preflop: Hero is SB with , :jc.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (11 SB) , , (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (9 BB) :td (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Button folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

River: (13 BB) :kh (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 8c Jc (straight, jack high).
MP1 has 9h Th (two pair, tens and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 15 BB.



I settled down and am now up + 15 big bets,but I seem to go down quick early in my sessions. Am I perhaps too quick to call when i first sit down?
  
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Am I perhaps too quick to call when i first sit down?
I think that is exactly it. You might be a little overanxious when you begin.

First hand, I might have folded that hand preflop, even in the SB. Maybe I would call. Depends on how I feel. I would have led off with a bet on the flop also, then checked the turn and possibly called, possibly folded. On the river, I would have definitely folded with a pair on the board and 4 cards to a straight.

Second hand, I would have limped in like you did and try to steal the pot when checked to me. On the turn, I would have bet again to continue the bluff, and then fold when raised. I would have played it just like you did. AT is not a good enough hand to raise preflop, but limp in in late position (hopefully with no raises, maybe even folding in late position with a raise).

Thrid hand, I would have folded without even calling the BB. I usually never play suited connectors. Even if I was trying it out and calling the BB, I would have folded to the raise. After the flop, you are hand committed. Not pot committed, but hand committed. You have top pair and since it is limit, the betting is controlled so you know the max amount of money you can put in is $5, which is still a decently big amount. It's hard to get away from. The only way to get away from it is by folding preflop.

Fourth hand, I really think you played horribly preflop and on the flop, then got very lucky. Sorry to say that, but I am telling you what I feel. First off, you should have folded preflop. Get rid of J8s with a raise. You should not be playing that hand. Its not that good. You shouldn't be calling a raise with that hand, even in the SB. On the flop, you DEFINITELY should have folded. There was a bet and raise, and you called with just a gut-shot straight draw. You only have 4 outs. That is not much at all. You should never be chasing gut-shots. They will cost you a lot of money. On the turn, you got very lucky, but you played it well. Nice check raise.

You were playing too loose, at least in the example hands shown. Tighten up and start folding those mediocre hands, especially with raises preflop. That is where I lose most of my money, but calling too many raises preflop and then folding on the flop when I miss my hand (this seems to happen all the time with hands like KQ, AJ, KJ and hands like that).
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I think that is exactly it. You might be a little overanxious when you begin.
That's what I was thinking. Something I need to work on.



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Thrid hand, I would have folded without even calling the BB. I usually never play suited connectors. Even if I was trying it out and calling the BB, I would have folded to the raise. After the flop, you are hand committed. Not pot committed, but hand committed. You have top pair and since it is limit, the betting is controlled so you know the max amount of money you can put in is $5, which is still a decently big amount. It's hard to get away from. The only way to get away from it is by folding preflop.
I love playing suited connectors, but I know better than to play them UTG




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Fourth hand, I really think you played horribly preflop and on the flop, then got very lucky. Sorry to say that, but I am telling you what I feel. First off, you should have folded preflop. Get rid of J8s with a raise. You should not be playing that hand. Its not that good. You shouldn't be calling a raise with that hand, even in the SB. On the flop, you DEFINITELY should have folded. There was a bet and raise, and you called with just a gut-shot straight draw. You only have 4 outs. That is not much at all. You should never be chasing gut-shots. They will cost you a lot of money. On the turn, you got very lucky, but you played it well. Nice check raise.
Never be sorry for advice given Bro. That's why I posted this, but the fourth hand is one I'd like to discuss.

In the SB when it gets to me i am facing a raise but at that point there are 8 small bets. My call is giving me 5-1 and then the BB called giving the pot 11 small bets before we even see the flop. I knew that if I called and even if the BB folded there would have been 10 small bets before the flop came up.

Now considering that in all likeliness all will check to the raise before the first bet is put out I am going to get 11-1 odds postflop. WQell within the range to chase down a flush draw should I flop one or the gutshot even. If I do not flop the flush draw or gutshot draw I am out quick. After the flop it is 2 bets to me and the pot odds are only 7-1 and I was wrong to call it there and I got very lucky, but as far as preflop goes with the possibility of a flopped flush, flopped straight or flush draw, with a mininum of 10 bets in the pot with my call and 11 should the BB call, was the preflop call still wrong considering the odds I was getting and would get postflop, doesn't that make my preflop call acceptable?




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That is where I lose most of my money, but calling too many raises preflop and then folding on the flop when I miss my hand (this seems to happen all the time with hands like KQ, AJ, KJ and hands like that).
I hear ya on that. KJo and K10o tend to cost me more than win for me it seems.
  
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Hand 1: I bet the turn, and fold to a raise. By checking someone with any pair at all is liable to bet, but if you bet out, you're only likely to get raised by a straight.

Hand 2:Raise preflop and follow up on the flop. You have Ace ten on the freaken button! If you get callers, just check the turn if you don't improve.

Hand 3: Fold preflop. If you're going to take the flop, I would go for a check raise. If he 3 bets you you're probably beat.

Hand 4: Fold preflop. The rest is okay.
  
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Now considering that in all likeliness all will check to the raise before the first bet is put out I am going to get 11-1 odds postflop. WQell within the range to chase down a flush draw should I flop one or the gutshot even. If I do not flop the flush draw or gutshot draw I am out quick. After the flop it is 2 bets to me and the pot odds are only 7-1 and I was wrong to call it there and I got very lucky, but as far as preflop goes with the possibility of a flopped flush, flopped straight or flush draw, with a mininum of 10 bets in the pot with my call and 11 should the BB call, was the preflop call still wrong considering the odds I was getting and would get postflop, doesn't that make my preflop call acceptable?
You really do the pot odds and implied odds every hand. I don't at all. Sometimes with a fairly big bet, I will look at my pot odds, but never really in situations like this. Maybe I should. It would probably help my game, but I never really do. I see J8, and think its a pretty bad hand. I am in the SB, so I think about possibly calling with the suits in a non raised pot, but then that guy raises, I click the auto-fold button. I don't even second guess. I hate wasting extra bets preflop, even with good hands like AQ. I don't raise too much preflop with AQ, though again, maybe something I should start doing. But usually when I just limp in, someone has raised. I hate wasting this extra bet because I know there is a good chance of hitting nothing, and then folding on the flop bet. On the flop, you get a gut-shot and see semi-good pot odds. I don't look at this. I see a gut-shot, I have 4 outs to make my hand, and 3 to make top pair, but even if I hit my jack, I could very easily be beaten. I fold this. I do not like chasing with 4 outs. And, though you didnt know this until after the hand, you had at most 3 outs, and maybe even less than that. It just doesn't seem worth it to me. I guess pot odds decide if it is actually worth it, but since I don't really use them, I just go on how I feel. If I am going to waste my money chasing something, which I am REALLY trying to cut back on, I rather waste it chasing a flush draw, hopefully ace high, or possibly an open-ended straight draw, though I do sometimes fold this. In limit, it is so easy to waste your money. you think that it won't cost that much to chase down a hand, and if you hit, man you will really get paid off. But combining several chases and you are far down in the hole. That's why I usually play tighter at limit than NL, because at NL, I can bluff at a pot much easier if say I miss the flop with my AK. In limit if you miss the flop, someone has probably hit it, they will bet and it will really cost you to see if you can hit one of those pairs.
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