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For your enjoyment folks! Another bad beat. I'm seriously laughing at this because I have no clue on earth what he was hoping for when he was calling my bets pre and post-flop. Backdoor flush oh well put me out of the tourny:

PokerStars Game #1759789709: Tournament #8153015, Hold'em Limit - Level V (150/300) - 2005/05/24 - 17:11:20 (ET)
Table '8153015 14' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Razzle11 (1840 in chips)
Seat 2: Clutch Cargo (2615 in chips)
Seat 3: clyde101 (3445 in chips)
Seat 4: CD4U (5470 in chips)
Seat 5: VBPro7 (268 in chips)
Seat 6: Zihuatanejo (3380 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: Neutrality (995 in chips)
Seat 8: daleabrams (1100 in chips)
Seat 9: redacesfull (7070 in chips)
CD4U: posts small blind 75
VBPro7: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neutrality [Kh Jd]
Zihuatanejo: folds
VBPro7 said, "least igot pockets"
Neutrality: calls 150
daleabrams: folds
redacesfull: folds
Razzle11: folds
Clutch Cargo: folds
clyde101: folds
CD4U: calls 75
VBPro7: checks
*** FLOP *** [5s Kc Jh]
CD4U: checks
VBPro7: checks
Neutrality: bets 150
CD4U: calls 150
VBPro7 said, "were going to wait"
VBPro7 said, "hmmmmm"
VBPro7 said, "think this ones yours neut"
VBPro7: folds
*** TURN *** [5s Kc Jh] [Tc]
CD4U: checks
Neutrality: bets 300
CD4U: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [5s Kc Jh Tc] [4c]
CD4U: bets 300
Neutrality: raises 95 to 395 and is all-in
CD4U: calls 95
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Neutrality: shows [Kh Jd] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
CD4U: shows [Qc 5c] (a flush, King high)
Neutrality said, "ARE YUOU SERIOUS?"
CD4U collected 2140 from pot
Zihuatanejo has returned
VBPro7 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2140 | Rake 0
Board [5s Kc Jh Tc 4c]
Seat 1: Razzle11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Clutch Cargo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: clyde101 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: CD4U (small blind) showed [Qc 5c] and won (2140) with a flush, King high
Seat 5: VBPro7 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Zihuatanejo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Neutrality showed [Kh Jd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 8: daleabrams folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: redacesfull folded before Flop (didn't bet)

i disagree
that wasnt a bad beat

you only raised 1xBB when you flopped two pair. The guy had bottom pair and a backdoor flush draw so the call was right in my opinion

At the river you raised 2xBB - at this point he still had bottom pair but he also had an open ended straight draw and 9 outs for the flush. His decision to call 2xBB was an easy one

you were unlucky with how the cards developed - but it wasnt a bad beat

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Fonz, It was a limit tourny...not my fault I only raised a certain amount of BB, heh. You can put your money on it I would've raised 2-3x BB pre-flop and then another 5-6xbb on the flop had it been NL

thats a fair point - didnt notice that it was limit.
I still dont think its a bad beat - neither player played it wrong. He made the right decision calling those raises and you made the right decision raising the most you could

i think a lot of people get mixed up with what a bad beat is. A bad beat in this hand would have been if you went all in at the flop and then 2 clubs came to screw you - ie. if this happened the guy would have made an incorrect call and then his win would have been a bad beat for you However, this wasnt the case and at the flop and the river the other guy made the right decision calling. A bad beat is when the other guy doesnt get the correct pot odds to call you but calls you anyways and catches the only card or combination of cards to beat you

Again, your hand was beat - nothing to sweat about as you played it right

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Okay thanks for explaining that a little bit. I just always considered a bad beat when 2 hands were at the flop and the supreme better one at the flop getting beat, never really thought pot odds made the difference in it. Would you have been calling my raises pre-flop and at the flop if you were him?

no - he wouldnt have been wise to call any raise with those cards - he was small blind remember which is why calling 1/2 BB was an ok move

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