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Old 05-16-2005, 07:19 PM
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This is one of those times where I just want to get up and say forget limit and always play NL tables....ridiculous I tell you...oh well, I know next hand when he doesn't river me to hell, I will have him but his nuts. Can you do anything besides this? Whenever I have QQ or KK I try to push everyone out ASAP so they don't get to see an Ace come down. in NL I could've made this guy fold but not in limit I'm not gonna start calling pokerstars riverstars or anything, because I completely understand the "river" is part of the game as well. But, it does seem like pokerstars puts extensively greater amount of Aces on the board than live poker really does.


PokerStars Game #1709097207: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/05/16 - 14:10:13 (ET)
Table 'Phad' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: golfballman ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Neutrality ($27.30 in chips)
Seat 3: MAKC ($7.35 in chips)
Seat 4: sparky_67 ($13 in chips)
Seat 5: Akimka ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 6: oowee ($5.60 in chips)
Seat 8: Wojtas ($12.70 in chips)
Seat 9: maggi930 ($12.45 in chips)
Seat 10: KoolhandLuck ($2.50 in chips)
maggi930: posts small blind $0.10
KoolhandLuck: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neutrality [Kc Kh]
golfballman: folds
Neutrality: raises $0.25 to $0.50
MAKC: folds
sparky_67: folds
Akimka: folds
oowee: raises $0.25 to $0.75
Wojtas: folds
maggi930: calls $0.65
KoolhandLuck: calls $0.50
Neutrality: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [7s 3h 5c]
maggi930: checks
KoolhandLuck: checks
Neutrality: bets $0.25
oowee: folds
maggi930: calls $0.25
KoolhandLuck: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [7s 3h 5c] [5h]
maggi930: checks
KoolhandLuck: checks
Neutrality: bets $0.50
maggi930: calls $0.50
KoolhandLuck: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [7s 3h 5c 5h] [Ad]
maggi930: checks
KoolhandLuck: bets $0.50
Neutrality: calls $0.50
maggi930: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KoolhandLuck: shows [Ah Th] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
Neutrality: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
KoolhandLuck collected $6 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.25 | Rake $0.25
Board [7s 3h 5c 5h Ad]
Seat 1: golfballman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Neutrality showed [Kc Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 3: MAKC folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: sparky_67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Akimka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: oowee folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Wojtas (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: maggi930 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 10: KoolhandLuck (big blind) showed [Ah Th] and won ($6) with two pair, Aces and Fives
  
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Old 05-16-2005, 07:38 PM
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Pocket pairs are more difficult to play in limit, because a lot of thier success depends on pushing out the draws which is hard in low limit.

One thing people LOVE to do in limit is play ace rag. This is why KK (QQ and JJ) just can't live up to thier expectation in limit. Any scare card you can assume they hit, but of course you bet 1 to get a read before you go and fold.

You have to remember, the only high PP that doesnt take a drastic hit is AA. AA and KK are much further apart in value in limit.

In this situation there isnt much advise I can give you. The only reason I explained all this in my post is because you seemed suprised (mostly disgusted) that your KK got cracked. I just don't think you have perfect hold on its value. I say that because a lot of people i know don't realize it either. It took me a long time to accept that fact. I loved to yack to my friends when i got busted with these in limit but no so much anymore. I hope that made sense.
  
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IT does to me and I never really looked at it from that way before.Ace anything does stay so even if their rag hits they are more than likely in for the ride.
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