Call or Fold?

Hand #56398838-107 at 515pmFreeBD-007 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Started at 25/Aug/08 19:22:01

bigjohson is at seat 0 with 20490.
mrsjohnson is at seat 1 with 0 (sitting out).
dtcruiser is at seat 2 with 61090.
RickyFTn is at seat 3 with 13100.
KNIGHTWATCH32 is at seat 4 with 57505.
cabbie917 is at seat 5 with 3080.
Aslann is at seat 6 with 48965.
xX1aaron1Xx2 is at seat 7 with 72195.
tex2217 is at seat 8 with 18720.
nick4613 is at seat 9 with 128270.
The button is at seat 2.

bigjohson posts ante (100).
dtcruiser posts ante (100).
RickyFTn posts ante (100).
KNIGHTWATCH32 posts ante (100).
cabbie917 posts ante (100).
Aslann posts ante (100).
xX1aaron1Xx2 posts ante (100).
tex2217 posts ante (100).
nick4613 posts ante (100).
KNIGHTWATCH32 posts the small blind of 400.
cabbie917 posts the big blind of 800.

bigjohson: -- --
dtcruiser: Js Ac
RickyFTn: -- --
KNIGHTWATCH32: -- --
cabbie917: -- --
Aslann: -- --
xX1aaron1Xx2: -- --
tex2217: -- --
nick4613: -- --

Pre-flop:

Aslann folds. xX1aaron1Xx2 folds. tex2217 folds.
nick4613 folds. bigjohson folds. dtcruiser raises
to 2100. RickyFTn folds. KNIGHTWATCH32 calls.
cabbie917 folds.

Flop (board: Tc Ad 8s):

KNIGHTWATCH32 checks. dtcruiser bets 2000.
KNIGHTWATCH32 calls.

Turn (board: Tc Ad 8s 8h):

KNIGHTWATCH32 checks. dtcruiser bets 3200.
KNIGHTWATCH32 raises to 6400. dtcruiser calls.

River (board: Tc Ad 8s 8h Jd):

KNIGHTWATCH32 bets 26000. dtcruiser ?

wow tuff call to make, "Call"
i would call in that situation, theirs good action goin on, an if he had the monster hand he would of been all in an after the turn of course it looks like he might have something after the other 8(turn) hit the board but he's shoving ,shove back...... plus ur cards are good an with a river like that u'mmm
an i put him on Ace rags


just my .02cents

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I wouldn't feel comfortable calling.

I think what gets you in some trouble here are your bets both preflop and on the flop. The SB has good odds to call preflop, and this makes it a little more difficult to access his hand. You are comfortably stacked, so why not make a standard raise here.

On the flop you bet small again when I think I bigger bet is in order. AJ on the flop is strong but vulnerable and it looks a big risk letting him on so cheaply.
Your playing an opponent with a similar stack to yours and if you choose to do that I think you have to ask some questions of him and hopefully gain some information.
He's getting around 4 to 1 on the flop and 2.5 to 1 preflop.

By the turn..without any previous reads, I'm lost and wishing I wasn't in the hand. I don't know what he has but a monster hand can fit.

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Well I folded and he ended up having KQ (still dont know why he was reraising me on the turn must of known it was coming)

wow he caught it @the river .... good try
good fold wow he had nothing

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Very tough spot....playing back through hand, 7 is right, you need to raise more pre and bet the flop hard..like 2/3rds pot here..he has to fold his KQ then...

if he calls my big 2/3rds bet il probs check the turn back...because you can narrow his range to a 10...a rag ace, or a set (he could also maybe have 9 J here but there are barely any draws so we're mainly looking at made hands)....2 of those hands your way ahead (so theres not need to bet to protect) and probably wont call a turn bet...the third your way behind so you dont need to bet....and will just lose more...

now if you check the turn and the river bricks....the player will think your weak..if they had 9 J and miss they may take a stab...they may value bet their weak ace (when tehy porbs wud fold turn) and they'll check their ten, but probably call a bet because you showed soo much weakness....so your getting soo much more value from weaker hands...

if they have a set they'll bet and you'll call, but you'll lose a lot less than if you had bet turn.

A turn check when theres no big reason to bet (but when your pretty strong) is a good weapon to add to your arsenal, both for value and deception.

As played, Im playing by reads...aslong as the guy isn't overly agressive/bluffy im probs folding though....

I like the way you worked through that. Very good reply JayC.

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