and yet again

lucca63: folds
Kid Goldfish: folds
Deuce2: raises 7695 to 8895 and is all-in
Eassy-E: folds
doza1990: calls 4365 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (3330) returned to Deuce2
*** FLOP *** [6c Qd Ts]
*** TURN *** [6c Qd Ts] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [6c Qd Ts Ac] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Deuce2: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
doza1990: shows [Ad Tc] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Deuce2 said, "comeon"
doza1990 collected 11730 from pot
Deuce2 said, "jesus"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11730 | Rake 0
Board [6c Qd Ts Ac 8c]
Seat 1: doza1990 showed [Ad Tc] and won (11730) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 2: HerbieGo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Flushtrated folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: T 54 T 97s folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lucca63 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Kid Goldfish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Deuce2 (small blind) showed [Kc Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: Eassy-E (big blind) folded before Flop

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the next person to say"thats poker" will be shot at dawn. No questions asked.

don't know why the whole history didn;t show, but I pushed pre flop with KK against some maniacs. Of course it didn;t hold, and I went out a few hands later, short of the$$$$$. I had been folding a ton before the big push too. You still get no respect.

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the next person to say"thats poker" will be shot at dawn. No questions asked.

Like you say, you were playing some maniacs. If your KK is called by A/rag you are going to lose the hand once for every two times you win. You sound like you thought these were some pretty bad players, why give them such good odds to beat you? Don't know how many times I have to tell you to cut it out with the preflop all-in. Tournaments are not won before the flop.

If you went all in three times, each time against a bigger stack, and each time you had KK vs A2, guess what? You are probably on the rail. That has nothing to do with bad luck, it's simple math.

Besides, if your luck is so terrible how do you have 9000 chips to start this hand?

Stop with the preflop all ins, stop with the top pair all ins, stop playing the game to get all of your chips in the middle. Getting your chips in with the best hand is a great way to play cash games... in tournaments it's only a matter of time before you hit the rail.

But, I am supposed to let them call me with A rag? If i go 3 or 4 x BB and ace hits, you say I should just fold every time? This must be internet only advice, cuz the books I read say make it too costly to play ace rag. When I watch tv, the analysts say, "ohh too small a raise with K's, he shoulda moved all in" I don't believe how often poker stars rewards any ace against K's. I should believe it by now i guess, but I honestly thought my tight play would actually make the guy pause, think, and then fold ace rag, when it was FT and I could end his life. How am I really wrong here? How many people lay down pocket K's as soon as an ace hits? I figure, I am probably pot committed with K's anyway, so the all in is the way too go. I just believe they should hold way more often than they do at Poker Stars. I run 2 for 10 on the internet with K's, and probably 8 for 10 live play.

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the next person to say"thats poker" will be shot at dawn. No questions asked.

And i welcome other opinions, if I am really really wrong here, lets see a majority of people who think so. Who would bet smaller and fold right away to any ace? Honestly. And if you did, would you not feel that the smaller bet allowed the ace in to beat you?

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the next person to say"thats poker" will be shot at dawn. No questions asked.

im runnin for the hills lol

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2007 THFSOP LIMIT HOLD' EM CHAMPION

lol Skippy. and that just might get you another hot tub picture. ready or not.

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the next person to say"thats poker" will be shot at dawn. No questions asked.

Not being able to see the first part of the HH makes it a bit tricky but it appears that the villian here made appx a $1200 bet out of his/her initial $5500 stack from early/mid position leaving about $4300 left to call after you reraised. Not sure what the blinds were but villian had already committed appx. 1/5 his chips and from early/mid position at a final table with the blinds (whatever they are) coming at him within a hand or two.

Heres the thing........ we all want the call here, just not the outcome. I hate to admit it but Fink is riggggggg.... Fink is riiiiiiigg...... I mean Fink is righhhhh..
Ah hell, I can't say it....... Lets just say I may partially agree with his interpretation. We all need to understand that when we play most of our games on the internet we are not dealing with someone who can make that laydown. I believe you call them (maniacs). Far from pro status. I doubt if a pro had committed 1/5 his chips from early/mid position at a final table with the blinds soon to hit them that you wouldnt expect the call here either.

You win 2 of these out of 3. As previously stated, not a bad deal at a cash table but you have to realize that it can eliminate you in a tourny each time you commit those chips. I dont fault you for pushing in this spot especially this late in the game at a final table. I don't like calling here as I now give the BB odds to join in and a reraise only committs the villian anyways so why not push here with a hand like KK. But you have to expect a call when you do, especially under the circumstances I mentioned (1/5 stack, initial raiser from early/mid pos., Blinds coming soon, etc...) regardless if its a pro or a maniac you have to expect it.

Heres why this statement doesnt apply to most of us........

Who are the so called "authors" of these books we read?
Professionals, right?
Who do professionals play against for the most part?
Other professionals, right?
Who most likely could make a raise from early to mid position with Ace rag and then lay it down if reraised? A pro or a Joe?
You tell me?

They write these books and give advice based on what you should do and
what an opponent most likely will do when faced with a certain circumstance.
Only problem is "our" opponents and the "author's" opponents are generally 2 different types of players.

I love to read books on poker. Have read quite a few. Will continue to read as well, but don't take them too seriously. I suggest if internet poker is your thing then try and get a book written by someone who is/was succesful at internet poker rather than books written by pro's based on their experiences playing against other pro's. Sorry I don't follow hot shot internet up and comers and such but i'm sure there are some members here who may know of a couple and if they have authored a book.

Hope you don't mind my 2 cents here. I actually agree with you pushing there with the KK.