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Old 06-27-2008, 04:48 AM
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I'm calling to at least see the flop. A or K hits and I'm probably out of thier, but I want to see the flop.
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I disagree with calling and folding the flop regardless of what comes. Calling and shoving on the flop since JayC is first to act is fine (Grator only has $7.35 left at this point) but calling and check/folding the flop is just a bad play. Opponent is shortstacked and the raise preflop is almost 40% of what he has...

I have to shove all in here. If Grator has AA or KK, so be it. If he has a random A or K and hits it, so be it. Worst case scenario is that JayC loses 24% of what he bought in for. For me QQ is unfoldable to a shortstack in a cash game.
  
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I have to shove all in here. If Grator has AA or KK, so be it. If he has a random A or K and hits it, so be it. Worst case scenario is that JayC loses 24% of what he bought in for. For me QQ is unfoldable to a shortstack in a cash game
this is another way 2go about it if you want to gamble but it depends how bad you want it

an looking at the chip count yes is worth the gamble with a 5/1 chip count on him("again how bad you want it knowing ur position")

but the correct call is to fold in that position

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i like this attitude is shows
it shows Nuts,an character saying what i got Queens i'ma do me.

plus is a statement on the table saying ur against all oddz
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I disagree with calling and folding the flop regardless of what comes. Calling and shoving on the flop since JayC is first to act is fine (Grator only has $7.35 left at this point) but calling and check/folding the flop is just a bad play. Opponent is shortstacked and the raise preflop is almost 40% of what he has...

I have to shove all in here. If Grator has AA or KK, so be it. If he has a random A or K and hits it, so be it. Worst case scenario is that JayC loses 24% of what he bought in for. For me QQ is unfoldable to a shortstack in a cash game.

Yea I have to agree here, calling to check fold is horrible with the stack sizes. He's pushing any flop, so check calling to a board with no A or K is superior IMO. Gives him a chance to bluff.

In regards to his hand, a very big leak many players at this level have is they make a smallsih re-raise and give away their hand (now if we both have 100 BB stacks this is fine...personally i'd make it $6 or so but the raise is ok...the fact hes soo short is the thing that gives it away IMO) . Now if im in Gators position with AA or KK i just shove. It looks weaker and your gonna get called lighter (because your short). By just re-raising small IMO he says "I dont have AQ or JJ" because both these hands shove here IMO. The smallish raise is to get a call which means AA or KK most likely IMO.

TBH though I dont know, Im just trying to give my logic as to why i folded. If i thought he had AA or KK for definite i wouldn't be posting this thread, I've posted this because It really was a tough spot for me.

Thanks for the advice though guys, will help me in future situations...any other comments feel free...
  
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this is another way 2go about it if you want to gamble but it depends how bad you want it

an looking at the chip count yes is worth the gamble with a 5/1 chip count on him("again how bad you want it knowing ur position")

but the correct call is to fold in that position

i like this attitude is shows
it shows Nuts,an character saying what i got Queens i'ma do me.

plus is a statement on the table saying ur against all oddz
Against all odds? JayC isn't going against all odds in this hand... he doesn't have rags, he has QQ which is only behind AA or KK and he has no reads on the other player in the hand.

This is micro stakes poker, how often have you seen shortstacks just decide (for whatever reason) to take a stand with any two decent looking cards (AK-Arag, KQ-KT, QJ, JT, any pair, or even worse)?

Obviously there is no correct answer to the question, just my view of the hand
  
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PokerStars Game #18440532196: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/06/28 - 13:00:09 (ET)
Table 'Ludovica' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: JayC170 ($25.75 in chips)
Seat 3: sdutil ($29.70 in chips)
Seat 4: PiS.AA ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: shadytree ($22.45 in chips)
Seat 6: silberstein ($19.20 in chips)
Seat 7: martijnvdb ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 8: bw07507 ($36.40 in chips)
Seat 9: mofro1616 ($13.25 in chips)
mofro1616: posts small blind $0.10
JayC170: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JayC170 [Qd Qs]
sdutil: folds
PiS.AA: folds
shadytree: raises $0.75 to $1
silberstein: folds
martijnvdb: folds
bw07507: calls $1
mofro1616: folds
JayC170: raises $2.50 to $3.50
shadytree: raises $18.95 to $22.45 and is all-in
bw07507: folds
JayC170: folds
Uncalled bet ($18.95) returned to shadytree
shadytree collect


QQ is really being a bitch lately lol...

Here the circumstances are very different though and its an easy fold. I did a bit of probing afterwards saying " I think i had you". I Convinced him I had K's and said i didn't believe he had them too so he named the suits of his lol...soo easy to manipulate some players
  
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